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Michael Howard has gone on the record as saying that he believes the limit for aborting a healthy foetus should be reduced from 24 Weeks.
I think it is high time that someone drew attention to the fact that babies can be legally aborted past the time when if they were born prematurely they might be able to survive outside the womb.
When does a baby become a person?
I think it is high time that someone drew attention to the fact that babies can be legally aborted past the time when if they were born prematurely they might be able to survive outside the womb.
When does a baby become a person?
Having recently had a 12 and 20 week scan, I believe the limit should be bought down to between 12 and 16 weeks. I know the baby couldn't really live if it was born between these times but it is pretty much fully formed, even if the organs are not fully developed.
I have just gone past the 28 weeks mark and I have been feeling him move around for about 2 months now, I really can not imagine aborting as late as 24 weeks.
Plus at that late stage you would have to actually give birth to it anyway.
I have just gone past the 28 weeks mark and I have been feeling him move around for about 2 months now, I really can not imagine aborting as late as 24 weeks.
Plus at that late stage you would have to actually give birth to it anyway.
JagLover said:
The more I think about abortion the more it makes me uncomfortable-The fact that a human being can be killed just so that it does not cramp the lifestyle of the expectant mother-who could, if she wanted, give the baby up for adoption anyway.
So you'd have a 13 year old rape victim go to term just because she can give a child away at the end?
Plotloss said:
The more I think about abortion the more it makes me uncomfortable-The fact that a human being can be killed just so that it does not cramp the lifestyle of the expectant mother-who could, if she wanted, give the baby up for adoption anyway.
So you'd have a 13 year old rape victim go to term just because she can give a child away at the end?
Lets phrase it the other way-say this baby was born and then she decided to kill it-would you support this?
If not-what has changed-it has been born-but it is still the same baby it was in the womb a few hours ago.
When does this baby become a person-this is what we are talking about here-a human being being killed-not some inanimate object.
waste of time, it'll stir up the usual blinkered bullshit, go on for 40 pages with nothing new being said.
So regardless of the emotional trauma because it makes you feel uncomfortable, a person not connected in anyway with said 13 year old rape victim should go to term?
Do you see what I am getting at here?
Abortion is such a complicated issue that banning it would cause FAR more hurt. The law should not be involved that means that each case will be managed on the merit it deserves.
Prohibition leaves no wiggle room if you see what I mean.
Do you see what I am getting at here?
Abortion is such a complicated issue that banning it would cause FAR more hurt. The law should not be involved that means that each case will be managed on the merit it deserves.
Prohibition leaves no wiggle room if you see what I mean.
JagLover said:
No lets phrase it my way.
Would you have a 13 year old rape victim go to term because she can?
It depends on when we define a baby as being human. If she has passed that time 15 weeks or 20 weeks or whenever then yes.
Really? Yes?
Interesting... What if the 13 yr old was your sister / daughter.
Gazboy said:
As for cramping the lifestyle- what if one partner was made redundant and simply cannot afford to bring the baby up, nor have mertanity leave/sick leave to have the baby? This place is always full of anti-spnger posts and 'if you can't feed em-don't breed 'em', but now you are advocating just that.
have you heard of something called adoption.
Scoobz said:
Plotloss said:
No lets phrase it my way.
Would you have a 13 year old rape victim go to term because she can?
It depends on when we define a baby as being human. If she has passed that time 15 weeks or 20 weeks or whenever then yes.
Really? Yes?
Interesting... What if the 13 yr old was your sister / daughter.
Since it has not happened I don't know
But it is interesting that this should be the argument used to justify abortion-what percentage of those seeking an abortion are 13 year old rape victims-is it perhaps 0%
I thought he was just on about reducing the limit?He does want to reduce it to 20 weeks.
There are a lot of clauses which it wouldn't affect. For instance severe abnormalities detected later on that 20 weeks...infact up to term, can legally be terminated. Also any risk to mother or baby if the pregnancy was to carry on.
I still don't know how I feel about this. On one had I do not like so called "social terminations". Yes they do have their place as you have to appreciate other people's situations, but lowering the dates would affectively take away choice for many people.
Some people can be unnaware of being pregnant until quite late, and then to add on the time it take to make an informed decision and arrange the termination, this can take away people's basic rights (and no matter what you believe, people to have a right as to what happens to their body).
On the other hand in an ideal world no one would want an abortion and if they did it would be done as soon as possible, like 4-6 weeks.
There are a lot of clauses which it wouldn't affect. For instance severe abnormalities detected later on that 20 weeks...infact up to term, can legally be terminated. Also any risk to mother or baby if the pregnancy was to carry on.
I still don't know how I feel about this. On one had I do not like so called "social terminations". Yes they do have their place as you have to appreciate other people's situations, but lowering the dates would affectively take away choice for many people.
Some people can be unnaware of being pregnant until quite late, and then to add on the time it take to make an informed decision and arrange the termination, this can take away people's basic rights (and no matter what you believe, people to have a right as to what happens to their body).
On the other hand in an ideal world no one would want an abortion and if they did it would be done as soon as possible, like 4-6 weeks.
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