Scamera partnership manager knocks over......
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- Streakyhedders said:
Don't get too excited - he was riding his bicycle.
Wonder if he was on his way back from The sunday lunchtime session at the pub or something? You can still lose your driving license for being drunk in charge of a bicycle IIRC
You can't lose your licence for being drunk in charge of a pedal cycle.
It is a licencing offence and not a road traffic offence! It is subject to a fine only.
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regmolehusband said:
Don't get too excited - he was riding his bicycle.
Wonder if he was on his way back from The sunday lunchtime session at the pub or something? You can still lose your driving license for being drunk in charge of a bicycle IIRC
You can't lose your licence for being drunk in charge of a pedal cycle.
It is a licencing offence and not a road traffic offence! It is subject to a fine only.
But surely you can invoke the Police Reform Act 2001 - as they did mit the pensioner who deprived Sergeant CASHman of her dosh last year.....
After all - if ist applied to pensioner who ist doin' no harm und saving lives by being more efficient that Sergean CASHman was by slowing traffic - then it should be applied to little oik on a bike who mows down pensioners by cycling at SPEEED und mowing little old ladies down.
Does this idiot of a so-called Roads Safety manager not know that little old ladies have the fragile bones like the children und that this could have been a KSI?
He should at least get points on driving licence fro behaving like a jerk - as ist his repsonsibility to look where he ist cycling.
WildCat said:
He should at least get points on driving licence fro behaving like a jerk - as ist his repsonsibility to look where he ist cycling.
Eh?
He doesn't need a licence to ride his bike!
How can a licence to drive a motor vehicle be endorsed when you are not driving or riding a motor vehicle?
My word Mrs cat! You have some very strange ideas indeed!
Maybe I should have my licence endorsed because I ran into someone who came out of an alleyway too fast the other day as I was burning off donuts!
1. Endorse the licences of people who don't need licences for that particular item.
2. Jail all those who are more likely to have a heart attack and who drive a vehicle.
And you complain that we live in Police State already
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regmolehusband said:
Don't get too excited - he was riding his bicycle.
Wonder if he was on his way back from The sunday lunchtime session at the pub or something? You can still lose your driving license for being drunk in charge of a bicycle IIRC
You can't lose your licence for being drunk in charge of a pedal cycle.
It is a licencing offence and not a road traffic offence! It is subject to a fine only.
So you can lose your licence for warning drivers of a speed trap ahead,but not for being DIC of a mechanical vechicle
gone said:
Eh?
He doesn't need a licence to ride his bike!
How can a licence to drive a motor vehicle be endorsed when you are not driving or riding a motor vehicle?
How indeed
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/03/ncam03.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/06/03/ixportal.html
Motorist is banned over speed trap alert
By Stewart Payne
(Filed: 03/06/2004)
A pensioner who warned motorists of a police speed trap was convicted of wilfully obstructing a constable in the execution of his duty, banned from driving and ordered to pay £364 costs yesterday.
Stuart Harding, 71, was attempting to slow motorists down as they approached a Sunday morning car boot sale where many people were crossing the road.
Noticing that police were parked nearby with an officer using a hand-held laser speed camera, he decided that a warning stating
"Speed Trap - 300 yards ahead" would be the most effective way of getting drivers to reduce their speed. But as soon as the officers noticed his placard he was cautioned for committing an offence.
Harding, a retired instrument maker, who appeared before magistrates in Aldershot, Hants, yesterday, had pleaded not guilty to the charge. He said: "I have been convicted of breaking the law because I was trying to stop others from doing so. It is totally unjust."
Harding said he had stood at the same spot, on the A325 at Farnborough, on previous Sundays warning drivers of the car boot sale, and had received a thumbs-up sign from a passing police car. But the attitude of officers changed when he warned drivers of the speed camera.
Robert Manley, prosecuting, said: "In displaying this sign the defendant was giving motorists advanced warning of a road safety camera being operated by the police 300 yards further along the road."
He said the intention was that any motorist contravening road traffic regulations by driving at excessive speed would avoid doing so having been given notice of what the police were doing.
Sgt Sarah Cashman told the court that when she cautioned Harding and confiscated the sign he told her: "I stop people speeding down here. I am only doing what I think is right".
Asked if he knew there was a speed camera ahead he said: "Yes, that is why I am doing it".
Alex Wyman, the presiding magistrate, told Harding: "The use of the sign was a deliberate and intentional act and by use of the words 'speed trap' you were assisting speeding motorists from being prosecuted."
After his conviction Harding told the magistrates he planned to appeal, adding that he needed his car to drive to church and that he was due to take his wife and friends on holiday in a camper van.
The clerk of the court pointed out to magistrates that unless the ban was suspended it would have run its course before the appeal was heard. But they ordered it should take immediate effect.
The court also confiscated Harding's sign and ordered it to be destroyed.
After the case he said that he had been told that fines collected from speeding motorists on that stretch of the road had netted £12,000 in one morning alone.
"It seems to be more about raising revenue than road safety. I'm just so angry and upset about the driving ban. It was totally uncalled for because this wasn't a motoring offence," he said.
Thats funny you should mention that, as I was just reading this thread and Stuarts case came straight to my mind.
prev discussed on here...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=103468
He was a decent man, doing a decent job trying to get motorists to slow down, whilst saving them from getting a fine. I still cant believe to this day how it affected his license when he was nowhere near his car.
I do my best to try and continue his good work at every opportunity I get as I live in the same area, and know full well that it is not an accident blackspot.
>> Edited by SpudGunner on Wednesday 16th March 22:36
prev discussed on here...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=103468
He was a decent man, doing a decent job trying to get motorists to slow down, whilst saving them from getting a fine. I still cant believe to this day how it affected his license when he was nowhere near his car.
I do my best to try and continue his good work at every opportunity I get as I live in the same area, and know full well that it is not an accident blackspot.
>> Edited by SpudGunner on Wednesday 16th March 22:36
Pies said:
So you can lose your licence for warning drivers of a speed trap ahead,but not for being DIC of a mechanical vechicle
Because Drunk in Charge of a pedal cycle is a licencing offence and not a RTA offence.
A mechanical vehicle is not the same as a mecahnically propelled vehicle. It does not even come close to that. It is a pedal cycle!
There is no power to endorse a driving licence for a licensing offence.
There is obviously a power to disqualify someone for wilful obstruction of speed traps!
gone said:
So you can lose your licence for warning drivers of a speed trap ahead,but not for being DIC of a mechanical vechicle
Because Drunk in Charge of a pedal cycle is a licencing offence and not a RTA offence.
A mechanical vehicle is not the same as a mecahnically propelled vehicle. It does not even come close to that. It is a pedal cycle!
There is no power to endorse a driving licence for a licensing offence.
There is obviously a power to disqualify someone for wilful obstruction of speed traps!
Even though speed traps don't contribute to road safety. Truth is there is no money in harrassing cyclists.
catso said:
There is obviously a power to disqualify someone for wilful obstruction of speed traps!
Why? andwhat if said wilful obstructor doesn't have a licence?
Seems to me like sentencing based entirely on spite.
Well thats a good point. If you consider that some green slime can wreck a Nuclear submarine and pretty much get away with it, yet some poor old bugger gets persecuted for protesting against basic human rights infringements. (Ie the right to drive at sensible speeds not arbitrarily chosen by non drivers who bought a house on a main road then decided it would be nice without the traffic) Then it does rather suggest that the guiding paradigm is completely financial. Lets face it the smelly sandalists can't afford soap never mind cars so no point in hitting them and it creates work for the shipyards anyway. The motorist on the other hand must be kept at all costs from bringing the slimeball government up short.
Daily Scum!.....Speeding Cyclist Mows Down Ageing Gran!!!! ............................. "Call for cycling laws on lights and bells!".........Oh! If only!
Of course Murdoch, (that well known socialist)and fighter for the Labour cause wouldn't see it that way! Oh Um!!! Tory? Wot me?........Save the Children !right! safety! that's what it's all about, Eh!
Funny, ain't we heard that before somewhere?
Of course Murdoch, (that well known socialist)and fighter for the Labour cause wouldn't see it that way! Oh Um!!! Tory? Wot me?........Save the Children !right! safety! that's what it's all about, Eh!
Funny, ain't we heard that before somewhere?
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