Within the law!
Discussion
It's like a politician or high-profile businessman saying they have 'done nothing wrong'. Maybe they haven't, but the weight of social media moralising do-gooders and the press have a habit of getting them to resign.
The law is the law, but morals and ethics vary dependsing on who you talk to, and that is the problem with making decisions based on them.
The law is the law, but morals and ethics vary dependsing on who you talk to, and that is the problem with making decisions based on them.
The world doesn't have unified laws as much as various organise try to encourage that to happen, so what you end up with is 90% of companies are using child labour, slavery etc to produce goods for sale in the UK. Its not right but its perfectly legal and we the consumer in the most case wont know about it, and when it hits the news we don't seem to care.
The world is full of immoral acts in the name of profit, most people either cant face that reality or turn a blind eye to it.
The world is full of immoral acts in the name of profit, most people either cant face that reality or turn a blind eye to it.
Foliage said:
The world doesn't have unified laws as much as various organise try to encourage that to happen, so what you end up with is 90% of companies are using child labour...
The again we spend vast amount of time online trying to find the cheapest price for everything, and a product made by children for 4p/hour is cheaper than one made workers in 'civilised' countries. Bear in mind too that sometimes the families of these children are broke, or unable to work, and the money the children bring home buys food in a country with no benefits culture. Point I'm making is that sometimes what seems 'outrageous' to us in our cosy bourgeois lazy privileged lives makes good sense in more basic communities. Otherwise it wouldn't happen. It's not really much different to importing migrants to pick our carrots for us because we're too lazy to do it.totally depends...
e.g. foreign company taxation:
- companies act within the constraints of the law set up by UK politicians
- UK politicians then complain that the companies are not paying tax (well change the law then!)
company using 'allowability' within the law to excuse bad customer service / how they treat workers / etc. - nope...
the difference is that in the first case the ones affected (the MPs / Gov.) has within its power the ability to change that law, so no issue if companies are operating within the law, in fact we can't really blame them - how else are they meant to a) be competitive and serve their shareholders (a legal obligation) and b) be legal - a fine line to walk
in the second case, those affected are not able to alter the outcome, so in that example I do think a business has an obligation to think about the morality / ethics of what they are doing and how that affects their customers / workers / etc. - and using a third party (gov.) as an excuse is not acceptable...
e.g. foreign company taxation:
- companies act within the constraints of the law set up by UK politicians
- UK politicians then complain that the companies are not paying tax (well change the law then!)
company using 'allowability' within the law to excuse bad customer service / how they treat workers / etc. - nope...
the difference is that in the first case the ones affected (the MPs / Gov.) has within its power the ability to change that law, so no issue if companies are operating within the law, in fact we can't really blame them - how else are they meant to a) be competitive and serve their shareholders (a legal obligation) and b) be legal - a fine line to walk
in the second case, those affected are not able to alter the outcome, so in that example I do think a business has an obligation to think about the morality / ethics of what they are doing and how that affects their customers / workers / etc. - and using a third party (gov.) as an excuse is not acceptable...
Surely, the law is a written definition of what one can or can't do.
Badly written law is meat and drink to the lawyers.
Suffering the consequences is for the unwary punter.
So, do you obey the law out of respect or out of fear?
In this day and age, there's little respect and not much fear.
I feel very old..............
Badly written law is meat and drink to the lawyers.
Suffering the consequences is for the unwary punter.
So, do you obey the law out of respect or out of fear?
In this day and age, there's little respect and not much fear.
I feel very old..............
The law is not always very clear - sometimes it is deliberately written that way.
And there is logic in this. Man is not infallible. Laws can be created that are bad laws. Laws are created in the context of beliefs and culture in place at the time the law was framed. Times change. Beliefs change. Culture changes.
What was acceptable in one era may not be acceptable in another.
Therefore, those who frame legislation often leave a certain amount of it open to imnterpretation. That does not mean that the law is badly written (although it sometimes is). What it does mean is that it is open to interpretation and therefore it allows judges to make judgments.
If the law was 100% certain and fixed in its tone, we wouldn't need judges or judgments.
And there is logic in this. Man is not infallible. Laws can be created that are bad laws. Laws are created in the context of beliefs and culture in place at the time the law was framed. Times change. Beliefs change. Culture changes.
What was acceptable in one era may not be acceptable in another.
Therefore, those who frame legislation often leave a certain amount of it open to imnterpretation. That does not mean that the law is badly written (although it sometimes is). What it does mean is that it is open to interpretation and therefore it allows judges to make judgments.
If the law was 100% certain and fixed in its tone, we wouldn't need judges or judgments.
Simpo Two said:
Foliage said:
The world doesn't have unified laws as much as various organise try to encourage that to happen, so what you end up with is 90% of companies are using child labour...
The again we spend vast amount of time online trying to find the cheapest price for everything, and a product made by children for 4p/hour is cheaper than one made workers in 'civilised' countries. Bear in mind too that sometimes the families of these children are broke, or unable to work, and the money the children bring home buys food in a country with no benefits culture. Point I'm making is that sometimes what seems 'outrageous' to us in our cosy bourgeois lazy privileged lives makes good sense in more basic communities. Otherwise it wouldn't happen. It's not really much different to importing migrants to pick our carrots for us because we're too lazy to do it.Gassing Station | Business | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff