V12 Vantage roadster
Discussion
Just looking for your thoughts on this. Purely academic as mine has gone.
Looking at the prices of original V12 Vantage roadsters it is surprising that 3 or 4 year old ones with reasonable mileage have an asking price higher than year old V12S roadsters. Understandable that they were showing high residuals when they were limited editions manuals (and with S's having a pretty poor flappy paddle change) but now there is a manual model available again it seems strange.
I wonder if dealers are trying it on with these prices and will never realise them.
Or does the cachet of limited edition really make a difference?
Does anyone think there may be a time when a V12S manual at a year old is worth less than a V12 manual that's 5 years old? What a weird situation that would be!
Looking at the prices of original V12 Vantage roadsters it is surprising that 3 or 4 year old ones with reasonable mileage have an asking price higher than year old V12S roadsters. Understandable that they were showing high residuals when they were limited editions manuals (and with S's having a pretty poor flappy paddle change) but now there is a manual model available again it seems strange.
I wonder if dealers are trying it on with these prices and will never realise them.
Or does the cachet of limited edition really make a difference?
Does anyone think there may be a time when a V12S manual at a year old is worth less than a V12 manual that's 5 years old? What a weird situation that would be!
Ex Boy Racer said:
Understandable that they were showing high residuals when they were limited editions manuals (and with S's having a pretty poor flappy paddle change) but now there is a manual model available again it seems strange.
I believe you have answered your own question. 101 manuals vs unlimited flappys.Whilst I think the V12VSM will depreciate a bit in the coming years (don't think the uptake at dealers has been that great) I don't envisage a time when it's lower than the non S manual....there will be far fewer numbers built and it's a better car.
Well, it all seems to hold together with the premise that manuals hold their value better.
Even though new manuals are on offer, there is no expectation that these will flood the market. Given the gap in the supply of manuals between 2014-2016, you would expect the 2013's to hold their value relatively well.
Even though new manuals are on offer, there is no expectation that these will flood the market. Given the gap in the supply of manuals between 2014-2016, you would expect the 2013's to hold their value relatively well.
A couple of weeks ago there were four available but now appears to be down to two including that nice Azurite one 
which seems to say that they are either moving close to the prices advertised or have been withdrawn and will appear again in the Spring.
With the V12VS manual no one knows how many there will be so I guess this question will be answered sometime in the future. They seem popular on here but how reflective of the buying population is that?
There are only around 35 of the V12VR in the UK as the rest went abroad, mainly to LHD markets, so they will never flood the market. I hope that those expressing the view prices will remain strong are right
which seems to say that they are either moving close to the prices advertised or have been withdrawn and will appear again in the Spring.With the V12VS manual no one knows how many there will be so I guess this question will be answered sometime in the future. They seem popular on here but how reflective of the buying population is that?
There are only around 35 of the V12VR in the UK as the rest went abroad, mainly to LHD markets, so they will never flood the market. I hope that those expressing the view prices will remain strong are right
The market will only settle once V12VS in all it's guises goes out of production in anticipation of the new new vantage
At that stage, presumably the number of V12VS manual roadsters produced in RHD/UK specification will influence both the value of v12 roadsters in general and how the prices of the two compare to each other
Until then, it's all speculation on V12VS manual roadster numbers
At that stage, presumably the number of V12VS manual roadsters produced in RHD/UK specification will influence both the value of v12 roadsters in general and how the prices of the two compare to each other
Until then, it's all speculation on V12VS manual roadster numbers
hornbaek said:
I dont think that a sample of 4 (now down to 2) is large enough to form an opinion on where the price is on a 5 year old car. It is worth as much as anybody is prepared to pay for it and in my book that is probably a lot less than the advertised prices.
More negative rubbish! Aston must of really upset you.
CockAroach said:
I believe you have answered your own question. 101 manuals vs unlimited flappys.
Well, I'm not sure if this "manual hype" is existing sufficiently in the real world. On the V12V there was little choice but on the V8V there is and always was and I would guess 90% are SS. Why? Because the AM customers apparently prefer to pay 4k extra for the SS. So be it.So while manual are scare in supply, the demand is also quite limited. I wouldn't bet too much on the 101 as now more manuals are available and as most AM drivers just don't want a manual.
Not in the present, but when cars move to collector status, then manuals will always command a premium. The very fact that current buyers prefer SSM or autos to manuals by 9 to 1 makes manuals much more valuable down the road. Current demands do not equate to future desirability.
Edited by DB9VolanteDriver on Thursday 27th October 00:55
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Not in the present, but when cars move to collector status, then manuals will always command a premium. The very fact that current buyers prefer SSM or autos to manuals by 9 to 1 makes manuals much more valuable down the road. Current demands do not equate to future desirability.
Exactly this - anyone with an interest in classic cars will know that a manual car will command a big premium - indeed are we not already seeing this with the modern DBS?Edited by DB9VolanteDriver on Thursday 27th October 00:55
I think if you start to reason in investment terms when buying a car, you are missing the point. Why would you spec a car purely thinking of future value and not your personal preference? I love SportshiftIII and not interested in the manual version. Why should I rather buy something of less value to me in the hope it will make me some big bucks in a future no one can predict? Buy what you like, enjoy your car and don't think about resale.
TKP said:
CockAroach said:
I believe you have answered your own question. 101 manuals vs unlimited flappys.
Well, I'm not sure if this "manual hype" is existing sufficiently in the real world. On the V12V there was little choice but on the V8V there is and always was and I would guess 90% are SS. Why? Because the AM customers apparently prefer to pay 4k extra for the SS. So be it.So while manual are scare in supply, the demand is also quite limited. I wouldn't bet too much on the 101 as now more manuals are available and as most AM drivers just don't want a manual.
I can't think of an instance where the manual version of a particular model doesn't trade at a premium. Perhaps the most obvious example of this would be Ferrari 575 and 599. Porcshe realised they alienated many customers when they made the GT3 and RS as a PDK only, so responded by making the GT4, the R as manual cars. Aston have done the same with the V12VSM. Manuals may well be niche, but they are fundamentally more involving to drive and that, together with their rarity makes them more desirable.
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