Free Government Heroin
Discussion
What do you all think of this? The addicts interviewed have differing opinions.
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em, let em die. Mixed feelings ... yes, it's money out of taxpayers pockets, but these people would commit crime to afford the stuff otherwise, and we all pay the price of crime. It's our stuff being nicked, and it's our taxes which go towards investigating/policing it.
Basically, we're going to be fleeced either way.
Personally, I'd favour a more drastic approach. Enforced detox, but I am sure there are many more intelligent people who will tell me why this is a bad idea.
It's like the government giving free driving lessons to asylum seekers in Leicester. They know these people will drive unlicensed, untaxed and uninsured, so offer them lessons to reduce the amount of damage they will do. I don't agree, but I can just about understand the argument behind it.
Oli.
Basically, we're going to be fleeced either way.
Personally, I'd favour a more drastic approach. Enforced detox, but I am sure there are many more intelligent people who will tell me why this is a bad idea.
It's like the government giving free driving lessons to asylum seekers in Leicester. They know these people will drive unlicensed, untaxed and uninsured, so offer them lessons to reduce the amount of damage they will do. I don't agree, but I can just about understand the argument behind it.
Oli.
zcacogp said:
It's like the government giving free driving lessons to asylum seekers in Leicester. They know these people will drive unlicensed, untaxed and uninsured, so offer them lessons to reduce the amount of damage they will do.
Whilst you and I, legal and contributing citizens of this fair country, would be fined and put in prison.
zcacogp said:
It's like the government giving free driving lessons to asylum seekers in Leicester. They know these people will drive unlicensed, untaxed and uninsured, so offer them lessons to reduce the amount of damage they will do. I don't agree, but I can just about understand the argument behind it.
Oli.
The solution there is to deport anyone found guilty of such a crime.
I would agree with you however that treatment such as this is better than locking people up for a crime that harms only themselves.
Providing free supplies of drugs to registered addicts via properly regulated and controlled outlets is paradoxically the rational way to deal with this problem.
It immediately removes the need for addicts to resort to criminal activity to generate cash to feed their addiction and it takes out the opportunity for the dealer to feed on the addict.
The concept of 'enforced detox' is pure fantasy.
It immediately removes the need for addicts to resort to criminal activity to generate cash to feed their addiction and it takes out the opportunity for the dealer to feed on the addict.
The concept of 'enforced detox' is pure fantasy.
JagLover said:
Unfortunately it affects us all when they go on a burglary spree to finance it.
They only need to go on a Burglary spree because it is so expensive beacuse it is illegal- If it were legalised there would not be such a problem.
I'm addicted to driving quickly (nearly said speed but that might give the wrong idea on this thread) but can't afford a supercar,would the gov supply me with one to stop me TWOC'ing?
esselte said:
esselte said:
Unfortunately it affects us all when they go on a burglary spree to finance it.
They only need to go on a Burglary spree because it is so expensive beacuse it is illegal- If it were legalised there would not be such a problem.
I'm addicted to driving quickly (nearly said speed but that might give the wrong idea on this thread) but can't afford a supercar,would the gov supply me with one to stop me TWOC'ing?
I did not say the government should pay for it-only that it shouldn't be illegal to sell it.
The war on drugs does not work-all it has produced in America is the fact that a young black man is more likely to go to prison than university as well as all the violence as crimanl gangs fight over the profits.
We need a new approach-It's time to end the attitude that The governemnt knows best.
esselte said:
Do they not even have to pay the presription charge?
The prescription charge is a levy imposed by the government, it has no connection to the cost of the medicines supplied and there are many exempted patients due to age, maternity, special medical conditions, income support etc. A registered addict should be entitled to similar consideration - imposing a prescription charge levy would be counter-productive.
Secure rehabilitation is the only way to deal with heroin addicts.
You've got to remember that whilst they may have committed crimes, they are suffering from a medical condition: addiction, and there is no fixed-term prison sentence that can deal with it, and the fact that they can still get their drugs in prison makes matters worse.
We need to convert prisons to secure, hospital-like units where they're not allowed to leave until the addiction is thoroughly overcome and they can read, write and use maths to the point where they can get a job. That would slash crime and I'd rather see my tax going on something like that than more scameras. It's all very well removing the addicts from circulation, and its all very well giving them treatment, but if they're not bound to it, and have nowhere to go and nothing to do to sustain themselves once they're back out again, there's nothing to stop them going back on the heroin and crack.
In the meantime, the Police can try attacking this culture of fear that surrounds drug dealers. It is the dealers who are the propogators of the drugs problem in this country, and the sooner the Police can swoop in on them, confiscate their proceeds of crime and bang them up for good, the better.
You've got to remember that whilst they may have committed crimes, they are suffering from a medical condition: addiction, and there is no fixed-term prison sentence that can deal with it, and the fact that they can still get their drugs in prison makes matters worse.
We need to convert prisons to secure, hospital-like units where they're not allowed to leave until the addiction is thoroughly overcome and they can read, write and use maths to the point where they can get a job. That would slash crime and I'd rather see my tax going on something like that than more scameras. It's all very well removing the addicts from circulation, and its all very well giving them treatment, but if they're not bound to it, and have nowhere to go and nothing to do to sustain themselves once they're back out again, there's nothing to stop them going back on the heroin and crack.
In the meantime, the Police can try attacking this culture of fear that surrounds drug dealers. It is the dealers who are the propogators of the drugs problem in this country, and the sooner the Police can swoop in on them, confiscate their proceeds of crime and bang them up for good, the better.
OK, Plotloss is in the building, everyone who hasn't taken heroin before please leave the debate, I repeat, your contribution WILL NOT be welcomed 
Just kidding mate.Plotloss said:
Ah a drugs debate, the favourite subject of the uninformed. 
Later people who live in flats will be discussing hunting and men will discuss the relative merits of abortion...
If we are all banned from talking about subjects we are not experts in-this forum will be become a very quiet place.
So long as there's an addict who craves a fix and there's a supply network there will always be a dealer. No matter how many of these are taken off the streets by more and more police the dealer's place will be taken by others. It's a futile strategy.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be a part of policing. Because, in the absence of removing the source of the problem, society demands that the police should act diligently to intervene at all stages of the illegal supply channel.
I do agree that the prision environment needs to be overhauled - drugs should not be available in prison, period, end of dictation!!
But trying to rid society of the drugs problem by believing that the addiction can be overcome by enforced hospitalization and rehabilitation is unlikely to be successful and the cost would be prohibitive. Of course any drug user that seeks treatment and rehabilitation should be medically and socially supported in this effort.
My proposal accepts that addiction to 'hard' drugs will always be present among a minority of the population. I believe it is better to isolate the problem by providing those addicts with free and hygenic access to their needs. This removes supply chain exploitation, would reduce addiction-related crime, would reduce policing costs and, properly implemented, would not in any way lead to opportunistic first-time (experimental) controlled drug use among those people who would not currently be regarded at high-risk of drug use.
This last point is important. Just making controlled drug substances available to registered addicts is not going to increase the likelihood that a person (without previous hard drug use) would experiment and become a 'new' addicted drug user. The concept accepts that there will be in any society those, that through a range of circumstances, arrive in a situation where they are exposed to the opportunity and are some way motivated to initiate and become addicted. There is no basis for anticipating that provision of free supplies of controlled drugs would lead to proliferation of their use among those that would not otherwise have become users. Indeed the evidence is to the contrary.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be a part of policing. Because, in the absence of removing the source of the problem, society demands that the police should act diligently to intervene at all stages of the illegal supply channel.
I do agree that the prision environment needs to be overhauled - drugs should not be available in prison, period, end of dictation!!
But trying to rid society of the drugs problem by believing that the addiction can be overcome by enforced hospitalization and rehabilitation is unlikely to be successful and the cost would be prohibitive. Of course any drug user that seeks treatment and rehabilitation should be medically and socially supported in this effort.
My proposal accepts that addiction to 'hard' drugs will always be present among a minority of the population. I believe it is better to isolate the problem by providing those addicts with free and hygenic access to their needs. This removes supply chain exploitation, would reduce addiction-related crime, would reduce policing costs and, properly implemented, would not in any way lead to opportunistic first-time (experimental) controlled drug use among those people who would not currently be regarded at high-risk of drug use.
This last point is important. Just making controlled drug substances available to registered addicts is not going to increase the likelihood that a person (without previous hard drug use) would experiment and become a 'new' addicted drug user. The concept accepts that there will be in any society those, that through a range of circumstances, arrive in a situation where they are exposed to the opportunity and are some way motivated to initiate and become addicted. There is no basis for anticipating that provision of free supplies of controlled drugs would lead to proliferation of their use among those that would not otherwise have become users. Indeed the evidence is to the contrary.
Semi facetious comment......
Addicts are willing to do pretty much anything to get their next "fix" not even the bounds of law will stop them..... Employment solution right there - get them doing all the jobs no one else wants to do (street cleaner, Nottingham Forest Manager that sort of thing) and pay them in kind...
Addicts are willing to do pretty much anything to get their next "fix" not even the bounds of law will stop them..... Employment solution right there - get them doing all the jobs no one else wants to do (street cleaner, Nottingham Forest Manager that sort of thing) and pay them in kind...
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