718 Aftermarket Music/Nav
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Tell me if this is a mad or totally unworkable idea but...
It really does appear that sounds/nav that would would suit me best (Google Maps/Android Auto) are better available in aftermarket than from Porsche. I have a 718 Cayman on order, and it does occur that if I were to go totally basic on sounds and nav options, I could get a pretty good aftermarket head installed for a reasonable (in comparison to OEM) price.
Someone better tell me the flaw in my logic before I start seriously looking into this!
Liam
It really does appear that sounds/nav that would would suit me best (Google Maps/Android Auto) are better available in aftermarket than from Porsche. I have a 718 Cayman on order, and it does occur that if I were to go totally basic on sounds and nav options, I could get a pretty good aftermarket head installed for a reasonable (in comparison to OEM) price.
Someone better tell me the flaw in my logic before I start seriously looking into this!
Liam
LiamH66 said:
Tell me if this is a mad or totally unworkable idea but...
It really does appear that sounds/nav that would would suit me best (Google Maps/Android Auto) are better available in aftermarket than from Porsche. I have a 718 Cayman on order, and it does occur that if I were to go totally basic on sounds and nav options, I could get a pretty good aftermarket head installed for a reasonable (in comparison to OEM) price.
Someone better tell me the flaw in my logic before I start seriously looking into this!
Liam
I'm sure there would be a good option available at a better price, but warranty would be the issue imo. It really does appear that sounds/nav that would would suit me best (Google Maps/Android Auto) are better available in aftermarket than from Porsche. I have a 718 Cayman on order, and it does occur that if I were to go totally basic on sounds and nav options, I could get a pretty good aftermarket head installed for a reasonable (in comparison to OEM) price.
Someone better tell me the flaw in my logic before I start seriously looking into this!
Liam
981UK said:
I'm sure there would be a good option available at a better price, but warranty would be the issue imo.
Hadn't thought about that one. Consumer Rights Act is more powerful than most realise - the fact a warranty has been invalidated doesn't allow Porsche to escape from their statutory rights. Doesn't mean when your fridge packs up after 5 years you get a new one for free, but it does mean the bits of your car that have been left standard should last a reasonable time, even if you did change the radio just after you bought it.I wouldn't mind paying Porsche prices if the car would work with the phone I use, but even though I'm typing into my first Apple computer just now, the iPhone monopoly on mobile communication annoys me. Even more because I just got yet another new Android phone recently. I've been resisting the iPhone, and would hate a new car purchase to force me down that route.
If they're really strict on warranty, I might just have to consider escaping the OPC network for servicing and see how the first CRA claim goes on.
Liam
Edited by LiamH66 on Thursday 24th November 00:36
LiamH66 said:
I wouldn't mind paying Porsche prices if the car would work with the phone I use, but even though I'm typing into my first Apple computer just now, the iPhone monopoly on mobile communication annoys me. Even more because I just got yet another new Android phone recently. I've been resisting the iPhone, and would hate a new car purchase to force me down that route.
Not sure I understand. What iPhone monopoly on mobile communications? Porsche have options on the 718 for Android.Pretty sure Porsche are only going to support Apple CarPlay as an option and not Android Auto. There was some tale about the latter data mining car information so Porsche binned it in favour of Apple, or they simply could have had an exclusivity deal. Who knows. I did see this video showing android running on a 718 via some hack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osse6c2rbHA.
My feeling is that CarPlay and Auto will render in-car systems obsolete over the coming years. I've not specced the Porsche Nav, just the basic CarPlay. It doesn't seem any better than something you can get on a phone, which are also likely to be far superior than the Porsche one in future plus won't have costly map updates. I just hope CarPLay expands it's range of compatible apps to include some of the superior nav options rather than sticking to Apple Maps.
My feeling is that CarPlay and Auto will render in-car systems obsolete over the coming years. I've not specced the Porsche Nav, just the basic CarPlay. It doesn't seem any better than something you can get on a phone, which are also likely to be far superior than the Porsche one in future plus won't have costly map updates. I just hope CarPLay expands it's range of compatible apps to include some of the superior nav options rather than sticking to Apple Maps.
Pinball said:
Pretty sure Porsche are only going to support Apple CarPlay as an option and not Android Auto. There was some tale about the latter data mining car information so Porsche binned it in favour of Apple, or they simply could have had an exclusivity deal. Who knows.
Yes, there are quite a few articles on why Porsche chose Apple over Android, and data usage seems to be the reason.Why it has to be one or the other and not both is beyond me, however.
Pinball said:
My feeling is that CarPlay and Auto will render in-car systems obsolete over the coming years.
I'm inclined to agree.However, the updated PCM in the 718 is excellent, reputedly best in market. And while in-car Nav is still on a par with the smartphone equivalent, I prefer the in-built option, particularly the sleek design in the 718.
Regardless, Apple's products bring me out in a rash, so I've specced PCM, and Connect plus to get the Android connectivity and live traffic updates.
So really there's nothing here that will be missed by not having an iPhone. Except, I suppose, the £1,800 outlay.
Edited by Tim bo on Thursday 24th November 13:45
DJMC said:
Re-sale?
A poorly specced tech system, or a non-standard fitment, may make the car less attractive when you sell?
Unless you're just going to "hand it back" having returned it to original spec.
That's what I would be worried about on a new car.A poorly specced tech system, or a non-standard fitment, may make the car less attractive when you sell?
Unless you're just going to "hand it back" having returned it to original spec.
I have put a CarPlay unit in my 2005 987 and it is the best money I have ever spent on the car - it performs night and day better and actually looks better too imo.
However, I have still kept the prehistoric PCM to slot back in if I ever sell the car because that is what the market seems to want, and that is on an old car worth perhaps 20% of it's original value.
The 718 audio setup is fairly closely related to the Audi units. Makes it seven more baffling why they don't enable the Android Auto feature which is on other VW units especially since the latest Porsche branded phone is Android too (Show a lack of product integration).
I would not bother replacing the head unit unless a fully integrated 3rd party unit is offered from a decent Manufacturer. You could try asking Alpine if they will support the 718 under their perfect fit program. If they do offer full integration for the 718 then normally steering controls, reversing cam/sensors and the additional display would remain working properly. Without this integration I wouldn't bother, just buy the full nav with Googlemaps integrated and Bluetooth.
I would not bother replacing the head unit unless a fully integrated 3rd party unit is offered from a decent Manufacturer. You could try asking Alpine if they will support the 718 under their perfect fit program. If they do offer full integration for the 718 then normally steering controls, reversing cam/sensors and the additional display would remain working properly. Without this integration I wouldn't bother, just buy the full nav with Googlemaps integrated and Bluetooth.
LiamH66 said:
I've been resisting the iPhone, and would hate a new car purchase to force me down that route.
Liam, stop fighting it and try one, they are really very good! Order one online from the Applestore and try it out for a few weeks, if you can't get on with it send it back.Cheers
DJMC said:
Re-sale?
A poorly specced tech system, or a non-standard fitment, may make the car less attractive when you sell?
F me! Can't believe anyone would be worrying about resale when it has taken 5 months and £3k to not even get on the list to own one in the first place! A poorly specced tech system, or a non-standard fitment, may make the car less attractive when you sell?
All joking aside, resale is affected by spec, but I think the extras probably depreciate a little faster than the rest of the car, and non-OEM extras depreciate approximately 100% at the point they are fitted to the car. If I change the head unit, I know it's money I won't get back, and I'll intend that the car can be returned to stock.
The aim for them moment is to spec a car I want to use for the next 3-5 years, so if I take a hiding on selling it I'll live. The wife will probably kill me for it, but if I can replace it with whatever the replacement for the (hopefully non-electric) 911R turns out to be, and I can afford it, that will be next. Hopefully the sat nav won't be the deal breaker when I get to it!
FWIW - I specced everything sensibly available for my GT86 (except for the go-faster stripes) 4 years ago. Happy with all of it, and the only additions I've bought since was a spare set of (smaller) 16" alloys and winter tyres. The sat nav was OK for the first couple of years, but then mobile technology overtook it in a big way for traffic information accuracy. Is it worth more "used" than a bog stock example? Probably not, just easier to sell because it has the desirable extras. If there's £1k difference I'll be impressed, and the extras cost me more like £5k.
Liam
Krobar said:
The 718 audio setup is fairly closely related to the Audi units. Makes it seven more baffling why they don't enable the Android Auto feature which is on other VW units especially since the latest Porsche branded phone is Android too (Show a lack of product integration).
I would not bother replacing the head unit unless a fully integrated 3rd party unit is offered from a decent Manufacturer. You could try asking Alpine if they will support the 718 under their perfect fit program. If they do offer full integration for the 718 then normally steering controls, reversing cam/sensors and the additional display would remain working properly. Without this integration I wouldn't bother, just buy the full nav with Googlemaps integrated and Bluetooth.
I know it's probably where I'll end up - I'm not going for the steering wheel controls or reversing cam, just want basic (but still full) integration. Just wish Porsche could express a little more interest in Android - it has advantages (like Speedview 0-60 and 1/4 mile times - I am a bit childish at times :O)I would not bother replacing the head unit unless a fully integrated 3rd party unit is offered from a decent Manufacturer. You could try asking Alpine if they will support the 718 under their perfect fit program. If they do offer full integration for the 718 then normally steering controls, reversing cam/sensors and the additional display would remain working properly. Without this integration I wouldn't bother, just buy the full nav with Googlemaps integrated and Bluetooth.
Liam
Jibaro said:
Liam, stop fighting it and try one, they are really very good! Order one online from the Applestore and try it out for a few weeks, if you can't get on with it send it back.
Cheers
I've become a bit famous for my love of Huawei Android phones among business associates. I'll hang in there for as long as I reasonable can, because they really are seriously good kit from an engineering perspective. My current one was recently bought for me in Beijing by some people that are both bemused and proud that a Chinese brand might have impressed a "westerner" so much (I only wanted a case for my last one, but they thought I ought to have the latest model...) Took me at least a week to make it fully conversant with Chrome and the western Android system, but will definitely keep me away from the iPhone - at least until my 718 arrives. Cheers
I'm hoping resistance isn't futile!
Liam
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