LHD in the UK?
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I have a LHD 964 WTL Cabrio (is that enough TLA's?) that I'm planning to sell. I have been told that as this is a rare beast I'd be better off advertising it on European websites rather than in the UK. Is Piston Heads really just a UK site or does it have a bigger reach? Any suggestions as to the best site for this type of car?
For some reason, in preview mode of this post, the car appears to be Australian (upside down...) weird...
For some reason, in preview mode of this post, the car appears to be Australian (upside down...) weird...
If you have price in mind you could try it on PH and see what reaction you get.
With the relative weakness of the £ to the euro, I think we can assume keen continental buyers will be looking at our market.
Of course, it' needs to be an attractive proposition. Is it ex-factory wide body? Is it manual or tip? Mileage? History?
There is/was one on PH for a year and the price went up, down, up, down..... and struggled to sell - might still be on there.
With the relative weakness of the £ to the euro, I think we can assume keen continental buyers will be looking at our market.
Of course, it' needs to be an attractive proposition. Is it ex-factory wide body? Is it manual or tip? Mileage? History?
There is/was one on PH for a year and the price went up, down, up, down..... and struggled to sell - might still be on there.
Gentlemen, thanks for the feedback and advice. The car is already on Piston Heads sales website and I had one contact from a guy in Germany via PH but geography is an issue... Has anyone tried commission sales in Europe? There is a WLT on PH with OldTimerFarm but it has been listed for a while... and I don't know what the insurance position would be with handing over the car to someone outside the UK.
At least this picture seems to be the right way up!
At least this picture seems to be the right way up!
An interesting topic for me since I have a left footer 993turbo which I've owned for about 14 years.
I've often wondered how I would go about selling it should I choose to do so. I have it serviced at my local Indy every year and as he deals with both LHD and RHD he has often said he is happy to take it on as a SOR type deal. This is of course an easy option and seems a good one until you look at the price of similar cars currently for sale in Europe and realise how much difference there is in what I'm being offered. I'm talking a BIG difference. Granted a business is a business but it certainly sways me more into doing the legwork myself or indeed approaching a European dealer direct.
I shall watch this with interest. Lovely car by the way
I've often wondered how I would go about selling it should I choose to do so. I have it serviced at my local Indy every year and as he deals with both LHD and RHD he has often said he is happy to take it on as a SOR type deal. This is of course an easy option and seems a good one until you look at the price of similar cars currently for sale in Europe and realise how much difference there is in what I'm being offered. I'm talking a BIG difference. Granted a business is a business but it certainly sways me more into doing the legwork myself or indeed approaching a European dealer direct.
I shall watch this with interest. Lovely car by the way
You could try Johan Dekens. I met him at Zolder where he does instruction. He races and sells classic Porsches, and i know he was regularly buying cars in the UK and making a nice profit selling them in Europe.
A nice guy and decent enough English - worth a go! http://www.autosdekens.be/
A nice guy and decent enough English - worth a go! http://www.autosdekens.be/
IMI A said:
£76,000 for a LHD 964 tip convertible with 106,000 miles may perhaps be a tad optimistic....
I don't think you'd get many Porsche enthusiasts to pay £35,000 for it personally. Lovely car nonetheless.
Proving you don't know much about the market for the 964 WTL cars then. They are quite desirable both in Europe, known as the WTL (Works Turbo Look) and in the USA as the America Roadster; whilst manual is preferable for sure, many of them were Tiptronic. Of the four that have passed through my hands over the years the cheapest one I've ever sold was the second one I had, a less than desirable purple on grey colour combination, tiptronic with only partial service history and it sold to a dealer in Dubai for more than £35k ten years ago.I don't think you'd get many Porsche enthusiasts to pay £35,000 for it personally. Lovely car nonetheless.
To the original post i've had good success with mobile.de recently, sold a 964 and a 997 GT2 to buyers from Germany, on both occasions the buyer flew over to check the cars were as described, transferred the money overnight and once I had cleared funds took the car the next day. Only issue I had was one of them didn't bother to pay the Dartford Tunnel charge and I had a bit of debate with Dartcharge over a fine they tried to issue me with, turned out OK in the end though.
Gentlemen, I didn't want to start an argument over WTL prices - which in Europe asking prices start at EUR90k for a genuine vehicle and top out at Eur150k... it was more about the potential reach and desirability of a left hooker on UK centric sites.
I did some research on commission sales in Europe and the ball-parks are from 8% of gross price to a fee (circa EUR1,000) for photos & prep plus 10% commission. My only concern was about the security (especially insurance) of handing over the keys to a non-UK business.
Dealers who are interested in buying a car outright want a substantially bigger margin as they are bearing the financial cost/risk and claim that they are providing their brand endorsement and a warranty etc. Inevitably they want to know how much you are looking for (rather than talk about a price) in case you substantially underestimate the market...
Thanks for your feedback; I'll try the Euro website as a private seller but it would be very useful to hear from anyone who has been the foreign commission sales route as to the logistics/liabilities problems ??
Cheers
Dom
I did some research on commission sales in Europe and the ball-parks are from 8% of gross price to a fee (circa EUR1,000) for photos & prep plus 10% commission. My only concern was about the security (especially insurance) of handing over the keys to a non-UK business.
Dealers who are interested in buying a car outright want a substantially bigger margin as they are bearing the financial cost/risk and claim that they are providing their brand endorsement and a warranty etc. Inevitably they want to know how much you are looking for (rather than talk about a price) in case you substantially underestimate the market...
Thanks for your feedback; I'll try the Euro website as a private seller but it would be very useful to hear from anyone who has been the foreign commission sales route as to the logistics/liabilities problems ??
Cheers
Dom
The wheels.... As far as I'm aware the Cups on the WTL are 17" like the Turbo and because it runs the Turbo set-up (hence 'Turbo Look') it sits the same i.e. no spacers. If you check out my ad - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... - you'll see the originals are present and correct. They were running winter tyres - hence the two set strategy... Cheers Dominic
Ahhh so on the WB 964 they actually moved the suspension out to match the bodywork? (I assume this as the only 9J Cup wheels have an offset of 55?)
Every day is a schoolday.
I'm more of a 993er, and they didn't widen the suspension for the WB 993s - they just supplied spacers from the factory for the 17"s or made 18" wheels with a lower offset.
Every day is a schoolday.
I'm more of a 993er, and they didn't widen the suspension for the WB 993s - they just supplied spacers from the factory for the 17"s or made 18" wheels with a lower offset.
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