V12 Vantage depreciation vs Ferrari California?

[AstonExige]

I'm considering upgrading my manual V8 Vantage Roadster. If depreciation wasn't an issue I'd definitely go for the V12v. However, I'm not minted and my man maths can only justify this purchase if I can realise most, if not all of the money I put in to purchase the car. So for me, depreciation is a MASSIVE factor.

For the Vantage I'm likely to opt for the coupe as I can't stretch my budget far enough right now for a Roadster. I'm considering both V12 and V12s.

The other car I'm considering is. California. Two main advantages for me there, one it's a convertible and two the gearbox. My ideal is for a double clutch, PDK type. The rear seats may come in handy too. My reservations? Servicing, I suspect to keep the value its dealer only whereas with the AM specialists seem to offer a better job and value seems to be unaffected. Although with a car getting on for nearly £100k maybe that isn't the case? Cons for the California: can't help worry I'd look like a bit of a c0ck driving it with the roof down. Maybe I should but I don't feel like that in the AM. Just a different image with I prefer. And the Cali will be a bit flash to turn up to clients in, again an AM has that understated class.

So, both cars are going to be around the £90k mark, but how much will they be worth in 3yrs with another 20k miles on them? I know no one has a crystal ball, but some educated opinions would be really appreciated.

[RobDown]

Obviously crystal ball gazing here.

But I would imagine that a v12v manual will hold its value well from here. A v12vs won't.

And I would be surprised if the California holds its value either (especially if you put 20k miles on it - Ferraris aren't meant to be driven!!), after all it's by no means a classic Ferrari (actually a little awkward looking from the rear) and common by Ferrari standards

So if the deal only stacks up buying a SS v12vs if it doesn't depreciate then I think you might need to wait a while

[bogie]

I think the Ferrari will cost more to run, and depreciate more, particularly if you use it for more than a few thousand miles a year.

My money would be in an early V12V thats done most of its depreciating already.

[Mako V12V]

V12 Vantage prices haven't dropped for over two years now. Last winter prices actually rose by £5 - 15k. Then with the release of the S manual, prices have stayed the same, albeit there's a glut of the originals in the marketplace currently.
If these don't shift between now and spring next year I can see prices dropping a little, say by £5k, but no where near the £20-30k drop in previous years.

[kbooker]

Have you driven a California? I was extremely underwhelmed when I did, the V12V is by far the better car in every department imo. In your position my money would go into an earlier manual car rather than the S....good luck

[AMDBSVNick]

But a DBS if depreciation is your main concern

[divetheworld]

AMDBSVNick said:

But a DBS if depreciation is your main concern

Or both....

[kbooker]

AMDBSVNick said:

But a DBS if depreciation is your main concern

Good answer

[AstonExige]

How does the DBS drive compared to the V12 Vantage? Does it feel like a bit car? Can you throw it about a bit?

I do really like them and the proper auto does appeal. Not many fall into my budget though

[MB 1]

I'd disagree on the V12S not holding its value, longer term it's a good bet. Maybe not as much as a V12S manual but it's still a very low numbers NA V12.

[AMDBSVNick]

AstonExige said:

How does the DBS drive compared to the V12 Vantage? Does it feel like a bit car? Can you throw it about a bit?

I do really like them and the proper auto does appeal. Not many fall into my budget though

I've only owned DBS but have driven V12V & V12VS. For sure, on a track, the Vantage would be the better car. IMHO on our fabulous British roads I reckon the DBS would be the better A to B car.

I believe Brent (divetheworld) owns both so is best placed to answer. I have two mates on here that have gone from V12V to DBS and prefer the later.

Lotto & DBS2000Dave

[divetheworld]

AMDBSVNick said:

AstonExige said:

How does the DBS drive compared to the V12 Vantage? Does it feel like a bit car? Can you throw it about a bit?

I do really like them and the proper auto does appeal. Not many fall into my budget though

I've only owned DBS but have driven V12V & V12VS. For sure, on a track, the Vantage would be the better car. IMHO on our fabulous British roads I reckon the DBS would be the better A to B car.

I believe Brent (divetheworld) owns both so is best placed to answer. I have two mates on here that have gone from V12V to DBS and prefer the later.

Lotto & DBS2000Dave

I'd be in deep poo if I took corners in the DBS at the rate I can in the V12V. Conversely, the V12V will have you crapping it at max throttle past >150 leptons on anything less than glass tarmac. The DBS laughs it off and hands you a glass of bolly when you're done.

The V12V is raw on British roads, you really feel a hero in it. Every straight screams out for a bit of right foot, every corner begs you to lay on the G's. Long trips are still very comfortable..... but not refined.
The DBS is a real smooth machine and cruises without effort. The adaptive ride does a brilliant job on UK roads. Normal mode is 90% usage. If you put it in sport-damper mode it can be fatiguing on all but the best surfaces.

It's not an either/or, there's very little overlap of their charms. The V12 is an iron fist, they just slipped a velvet glove over the top for the DBS.
Both make you feel special, it's more of a case of what mood are you in?

[AstonExige]

Sounds like I need both! Need to engage some hero spec man maths for that though.

Or buy the DBS and keep the Exige

Before the V8V I had a XF, high spec with loads of toys. I do crave a car I can just waft about in in extreme comfort. But then I'd miss those early Sunday morning a-road drives

[bentley01]

AMDBSVNick said:

But a DBS if depreciation is your main concern

Nick I'm not sure the OP is that old!

[Gettoff]

AstonExige said:

Sounds like I need both! Need to engage some hero spec man maths for that though.

Or buy the DBS and keep the Exige

If an auto DBS is a possibility then how about a late DB9, maybe even the GT? The DBS will be an older car but is likely to keep its value, the 9 is arguably prettier and several years younger for the same outlay. Power is the same between 9 and S but the GT has an extra 30bhp, latest interior too. If you can keep the Exige, do it, then you'd have the best tool for both jobs.

[L0TT0]

divetheworld said:

AMDBSVNick said:

AstonExige said:

How does the DBS drive compared to the V12 Vantage? Does it feel like a bit car? Can you throw it about a bit?

I do really like them and the proper auto does appeal. Not many fall into my budget though

I've only owned DBS but have driven V12V & V12VS. For sure, on a track, the Vantage would be the better car. IMHO on our fabulous British roads I reckon the DBS would be the better A to B car.

I believe Brent (divetheworld) owns both so is best placed to answer. I have two mates on here that have gone from V12V to DBS and prefer the later.

Lotto & DBS2000Dave

I'd be in deep poo if I took corners in the DBS at the rate I can in the V12V. Conversely, the V12V will have you crapping it at max throttle past >150 leptons on anything less than glass tarmac. The DBS laughs it off and hands you a glass of bolly when you're done.

The V12V is raw on British roads, you really feel a hero in it. Every straight screams out for a bit of right foot, every corner begs you to lay on the G's. Long trips are still very comfortable..... but not refined.
The DBS is a real smooth machine and cruises without effort. The adaptive ride does a brilliant job on UK roads. Normal mode is 90% usage. If you put it in sport-damper mode it can be fatiguing on all but the best surfaces.

It's not an either/or, there's very little overlap of their charms. The V12 is an iron fist, they just slipped a velvet glove over the top for the DBS.
Both make you feel special, it's more of a case of what mood are you in?

Excellent analogy. Having owned both I wouldn't have missed out on ownership of the V12V - If you can buy one then do it, you won't regret it. Was mugged by a fellow ph'er for mine and I'm sure he could sell it for more money after two years of ownership - but he is poor so I don't mind - absolutely loved the car but currently the DBS ticks all my boxes

[dbs2000]

I've had both, for a bit of a cross over period as well. They are wonderful machines. I had the V12V first, purchased 2.5 years ago, sold last month, 10k more on it and for 3k more than I paid for it. If I'd been quicker to market that figure would have been closer to 10k.

The v12 market is pretty solid, the v12sm is the ultimate edition (until there is a v12smu907 😂).

Regarding the drive of both cars, I took the DBS to the lakes and it lapped it up, every mile was a pleasure. Upon returning home I jumped into th V12V and whined o we a couple of bumps, I love the car but there is no off button and I'm not a softy with my cars.

Given what I now know, if you can cope with your fillings flying around, the V12V is bloody brilliant, the DBS is very similar but a little more friendly... so to cause you more headaches, try the DBS, the v12vs (has adjustable suspension), the db9 ultimate (or last gen) and finally, the virage. You'll not go wrong with any of them 👍🏻

[kbooker]

dbs2000 said:

I've had both, for a bit of a cross over period as well. They are wonderful machines. I had the V12V first, purchased 2.5 years ago, sold last month, 10k more on it and for 3k more than I paid for it. If I'd been quicker to market that figure would have been closer to 10k.

The v12 market is pretty solid, the v12sm is the ultimate edition (until there is a v12smu907 ??).

Regarding the drive of both cars, I took the DBS to the lakes and it lapped it up, every mile was a pleasure. Upon returning home I jumped into th V12V and whined o we a couple of bumps, I love the car but there is no off button and I'm not a softy with my cars.

Given what I now know, if you can cope with your fillings flying around, the V12V is bloody brilliant, the DBS is very similar but a little more friendly... so to cause you more headaches, try the DBS, the v12vs (has adjustable suspension), the db9 ultimate (or last gen) and finally, the virage. You'll not go wrong with any of them ????

I think it all depends on your car history, I couldn't disagree more about my V12V, It feels extremely comfortable to me and my fillings are where they should be but then I came from a series of RS/GT3/Scuderia cars. The DBS was too soft for me. You really need to test drive each car and form your own opinions

[sukh_m]

L0TT0 said:

but he is poor so I don't mind

Thanks for the sympathy but as I recall I did pay you for it!

Edited by sukh_m on Monday 28th November 08:45

[AMDBSVNick]

AstonExige said:

So for me, depreciation is a MASSIVE factor.

My answer was based on this comment from the OP.

I was at a MD last Monday and they had a DB9 GTV in Skyfall. Absolutely stunning. Virtually £30k off list Can't honestly see these hardening up anytime soon. Same for V12VS IMHO.

But what the fk do I know.