red rose vs standard
Discussion
In most cases yes, however it would depend on the spec of the standard car, when i bought my car just over 2 yrs ago the there where some pretty basic 4ltrs for sale, i.e small non crossed drilled brakes, mk1,3piece
roofs, non Air conned,a few with 16`s on and earley suspension set ups,
The car i eventually bought was a very earley car that someone had spent lot`s of money on upgrading to almost RR spec,Big crossed drilled brakes RR suspension ect, plus he had bought the later design of roof as well, although this rattled it didn`t put me off
You might say that the spec doen`t sound that good by todays standards, but that is my point, some early cars pre 2001 Y plates needed a lot of upgrading
and still had £30k+ price tags.
The earley RR cars had all the upgrades, if you can get a earley car with all the upgrades plus a rebuilt car with the "new??" head, you will have a standard car that will hold it`s own with a RR.
roofs, non Air conned,a few with 16`s on and earley suspension set ups,
The car i eventually bought was a very earley car that someone had spent lot`s of money on upgrading to almost RR spec,Big crossed drilled brakes RR suspension ect, plus he had bought the later design of roof as well, although this rattled it didn`t put me off
You might say that the spec doen`t sound that good by todays standards, but that is my point, some early cars pre 2001 Y plates needed a lot of upgrading and still had £30k+ price tags.
The earley RR cars had all the upgrades, if you can get a earley car with all the upgrades plus a rebuilt car with the "new??" head, you will have a standard car that will hold it`s own with a RR.
Depends on the buyer. I'd have thought a non-enthusiast (i.e. banker type)... no. An enthusiast.. yes.
Most early cars will have 18s on, etc. So it's really just engine work and nice big cross drilled front brakes. Personally I wanted a RR, but would have considered a really nice standard car.
But I reckon if you were prepared to wait for the right buyer, you could get a premium of 1K or so for a RR.. if (like JSG) you really wanted a RR and were prepared to get it RRed yourself anyway.
stu
Most early cars will have 18s on, etc. So it's really just engine work and nice big cross drilled front brakes. Personally I wanted a RR, but would have considered a really nice standard car.
But I reckon if you were prepared to wait for the right buyer, you could get a premium of 1K or so for a RR.. if (like JSG) you really wanted a RR and were prepared to get it RRed yourself anyway.
stu
powerlord said:
Depends on the buyer. I'd have thought a non-enthusiast (i.e. banker type)... no. An enthusiast.. yes.
Most early cars will have 18s on, etc. So it's really just engine work and nice big cross drilled front brakes. Personally I wanted a RR, but would have considered a really nice standard car.
But I reckon if you were prepared to wait for the right buyer, you could get a premium of 1K or so for a RR.. if (like JSG) you really wanted a RR and were prepared to get it RRed yourself anyway.
I'd say yes. Simple fact: it cost more to begin with. The brakes + suspension + engine are a worthwhile upgrade. Now, if the "standard" car has the uprated brakes + suspension anyway (as many do), then the differential would be less.
I'd say an (early) standard car without the brakes + suspension mods would be £500 less than a standard one with those. And a standard one with those would, in turn, be £1000 less than a Red Rose. (Based on cars of around the £25k mark).
Me, I'd get the RR and add all the external "S" gubbins (front & rear spoiler) every time.
(I didn't plan on getting mine RRd myself anyway... it just had the wrong engine in it to start with!)
basil brush said:
Given that a good standard engine is probably as powerful as a not so good red rose I'd be tempted to buy a good standard tuscan and fit Nitrons. The shocks will probably be past their best now anyway.
Are the bigger brakes a worthwhile upgrade for the road?
Sure a "Good model X" might be better than a "Bad model Y", but an "Average model Y" might be cheaper than a "Good model X", etc. etc.
I'd buy the right car at the right price, taking everything into consideration. Having a RR car will, in all likelihood, make it be up a couple of dozen BHP. And when it comes time to sell it on, you'll most likely get your investment back. A £1k premium would be far better spent on Nitrons, however. (But upgrading the suspension on a RR at a later date is much cheaper than upgrading the engine on a standard one!)
I'd say that the cross-drilled brakes were well worth having if you actually make use of the car's abilities.
I have an early standard Tuscan. Bought last summer. You can tell its standard because it is written in black pen on top of the engine.
I have decided to fork out for Nitrons, re-bushing and corner weighting. Cost about £1200 + VAT. (all expertly carried out by Top Cats Racing at Aylesbury)
My mate with a 4.2 cerbie (Jellie on PH) has just had his done and says it is so planted as to be a different car. Good tyres and a four wheel alignment are also vital. TVR Power will do the alignment for about £135:00 + VAT.
I think there are some genuine bargains out there on early standard models if you have a modest budget for upgrades and are prepared to shop around and not get tied into main dealer prices.
I cant take the silly welded grin off my face.
>> Edited by Tuska on Friday 18th March 20:24
I have decided to fork out for Nitrons, re-bushing and corner weighting. Cost about £1200 + VAT. (all expertly carried out by Top Cats Racing at Aylesbury)
My mate with a 4.2 cerbie (Jellie on PH) has just had his done and says it is so planted as to be a different car. Good tyres and a four wheel alignment are also vital. TVR Power will do the alignment for about £135:00 + VAT.
I think there are some genuine bargains out there on early standard models if you have a modest budget for upgrades and are prepared to shop around and not get tied into main dealer prices.
I cant take the silly welded grin off my face.
>> Edited by Tuska on Friday 18th March 20:24
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