Lottery 'winner' awarded £2.5m for fraudulent ticket.
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Mmm wonder what the real story is here.
Reported elsewhere....,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/16/ca...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38337470
telegraph said:
National Lottery operator Camelot has been fined £3 million by the gambling watchdog after paying out a £2.5 million prize claim involving a deliberately damaged ticket.
The penalty was handed down by the Gambling Commission over a 2009 incident that went undiscovered for six years until 2015, when the regulator and police were alerted.
A 51-year-old man, from Kings Langley, had claimed the £2.5 million jackpot using a damaged ticket.
He was arrested for fraud last October and has been released without charge, Hertfordshire Police say they will reopen the case if new evidence comes to light.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/16/national-lottery-winner-awarded-25m-prize-alleged-fraudulent/The penalty was handed down by the Gambling Commission over a 2009 incident that went undiscovered for six years until 2015, when the regulator and police were alerted.
A 51-year-old man, from Kings Langley, had claimed the £2.5 million jackpot using a damaged ticket.
He was arrested for fraud last October and has been released without charge, Hertfordshire Police say they will reopen the case if new evidence comes to light.
Reported elsewhere....,
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/16/ca...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38337470
The Telegraph article doesn't name the winner but does note that he is of the same age and location as a convicted rapist who was falsely claiming benefits on top of his £5m lottery win.
The linked article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/94235... says that he got two payments: one of £2.5m and one of £2.4m. Were they both fraudulent? Did he really win twice?
As you say, it's not really clear what the story is.
The linked article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/94235... says that he got two payments: one of £2.5m and one of £2.4m. Were they both fraudulent? Did he really win twice?
As you say, it's not really clear what the story is.
Boosted LS1 said:
I don't understand why they were fined if they payed out in error?
Since the article says that some of the people involved have now left the company, is the implication that this was an inside job?I understand that they can't say some things, but there's so little detail it's hardly worth reporting on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4041982/Th...
Looks like he agreed a 50/50 split with his Camelot insider/accomplice, which he didn't honor, and ended up with the accomplice taking their own life.
Looks like he agreed a 50/50 split with his Camelot insider/accomplice, which he didn't honor, and ended up with the accomplice taking their own life.
No wonder Camelot wanted to bury this story - they don't come out of it looking very well.
On a related note, when you win the jackpot Camelot encourage you to go public by telling you "people will fine out anyway" however had this rapist not been convicted for benefit fraud we'd be none the wiser about his lottery win.
On a related note, when you win the jackpot Camelot encourage you to go public by telling you "people will fine out anyway" however had this rapist not been convicted for benefit fraud we'd be none the wiser about his lottery win.
BlackLabel said:
No wonder Camelot wanted to bury this story - they don't come out of it looking very well.
On a related note, when you win the jackpot Camelot encourage you to go public by telling you "people will fine out anyway" however had this rapist not been convicted for benefit fraud we'd be none the wiser about his lottery win.
When they say "people", I always assumed they meant friends, family, work colleagues and the like, not complete strangers at the other end of the country!On a related note, when you win the jackpot Camelot encourage you to go public by telling you "people will fine out anyway" however had this rapist not been convicted for benefit fraud we'd be none the wiser about his lottery win.
Kermit power said:
BlackLabel said:
No wonder Camelot wanted to bury this story - they don't come out of it looking very well.
On a related note, when you win the jackpot Camelot encourage you to go public by telling you "people will fine out anyway" however had this rapist not been convicted for benefit fraud we'd be none the wiser about his lottery win.
When they say "people", I always assumed they meant friends, family, work colleagues and the like, not complete strangers at the other end of the country!On a related note, when you win the jackpot Camelot encourage you to go public by telling you "people will fine out anyway" however had this rapist not been convicted for benefit fraud we'd be none the wiser about his lottery win.
Escapegoat said:
s3fella said:
So for losing £2.5M that could have gone to good causes, they fine them £3m........that could have gone to good causes?
Er... Camelot does not operate the lottery for free. Why not just make them pay the £2.5M fraudulently claimed to the referred to "good causes"?
s3fella said:
dogbucket said:
So there is enough evidence to fine Camelot, but not enough to go after that scumbag?!
So for losing £2.5M that could have gone to good causes, they fine them £3m........that could have gone to good causes? s3fella said:
Escapegoat said:
s3fella said:
So for losing £2.5M that could have gone to good causes, they fine them £3m........that could have gone to good causes?
Er... Camelot does not operate the lottery for free. Why not just make them pay the £2.5M fraudulently claimed to the referred to "good causes"?
http://www.igamingbusiness.com/news/camelot-hit-3m...
More details: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4045212/Fo...
Seems relatively simple scam, as long as you have someone on the inside with the relevant info. I wonder if this has happened before, but gone undetected..
Seems relatively simple scam, as long as you have someone on the inside with the relevant info. I wonder if this has happened before, but gone undetected..
Edited by Deisel Weisel on Monday 19th December 02:52
DM said:
Edward Putman allegedly submitted a fake ticket to trick the National Lottery in 2009, after it is believed he was given secret information by Camelot employee Giles Knibbs.
Knibbs, 38, is understood to have told Putman which shop the legitimate winning slip was bought from and the exact time of the purchase.
Putman allegedly then bought a ticket from the same shop using the winning numbers before carefully scratching off the barcode and date to fool Camelot’s jackpot claims department.
So what happened to the 'real' winning ticket?Knibbs, 38, is understood to have told Putman which shop the legitimate winning slip was bought from and the exact time of the purchase.
Putman allegedly then bought a ticket from the same shop using the winning numbers before carefully scratching off the barcode and date to fool Camelot’s jackpot claims department.
How did they know it wouldn't be claimed just before the deadline (which seems to happen quite often); leaving two winners with the same ticket bought at the exact same time and place?
What am I missing here?
Anglade said:
So what happened to the 'real' winning ticket?
How did they know it wouldn't be claimed just before the deadline (which seems to happen quite often); leaving two winners with the same ticket bought at the exact same time and place?
What am I missing here?
i guess a lot of unclaimed prizes go thru the system so probably too a chance on it not being claimed.How did they know it wouldn't be claimed just before the deadline (which seems to happen quite often); leaving two winners with the same ticket bought at the exact same time and place?
What am I missing here?
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