Another pension? I hope this a simple yes/no question.
Another pension? I hope this a simple yes/no question.
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FidoGoRetroGo

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125 posts

119 months

Sunday 18th December 2016
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I shall try to keep this short.

I'm 53 tomorrow and at 55 I can (and will) take my company pension. Income from it will be around £21k. So I will be paying some income tax.

These days I'm self-employed, and will probably carry on working until I'm 60. I will never have enough income to be paying a higher rate of tax, but I will always have enough income to pay at the standard rate.

As I understand things I can put some of the money I now earn into another pension, and won't have to pay income tax on it. That seems like a good idea.

But... and here's where I'm confused... is it not the case that when I come to take money out of this second pension I'll just be paying income tax on it anyway?

In other words, for someone who is paying the standard rate of income tax, and always will be, is putting more money into a pension not just a case of paying tax on it later instead of now?

Many thanks for any help.

ellroy

7,841 posts

255 months

Sunday 18th December 2016
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To some extent you're correct, but remember that the growth of the funds, wherever invested prior to you taking an income, are free of all tax on that growth. Whereas pretty much everywhere else you invested them would be liable to tax of one sort or another.

Also, pensions now are pretty much completely free of IHT, so another reason to use the allowances you have.

Jockman

18,414 posts

190 months

Sunday 18th December 2016
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Don't forget the potential for paying zero tax on circa 25% of your pot.

Oh, and happy birthday for tomorrow.

LeoSayer

7,837 posts

274 months

Sunday 18th December 2016
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FidoGoRetroGo said:
In other words, for someone who is paying the standard rate of income tax, and always will be, is putting more money into a pension not just a case of paying tax on it later instead of now?
Yes.

However, you can take 25% of your pension pot tax free.



FidoGoRetroGo

Original Poster:

125 posts

119 months

Sunday 18th December 2016
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Thanks to both of you.

It was just that idea that I either pay the tax now or later given my circumstances that I wanted confirming. I do of course accept that there are a lot of variables and I will certainly be tempted with a Ferrari-sized lump sum. (Not sure if I can have a lump sum at all though).

Cheers

Phooey

13,843 posts

199 months

Sunday 18th December 2016
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Other option is an ISA - no tax on the way out. Not sure what risk I'd be taking though with only 7yrs of investing whilst FTSE currently at a high...

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

187 months

Monday 19th December 2016
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Once you start drawing your pension your annual contribution allowance will be limited to £4,000 pa (reduced from £10,000 in the Autumn Statement).

BarryGibb

350 posts

177 months

Monday 19th December 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Once you start drawing your pension your annual contribution allowance will be limited to £4,000 pa (reduced from £10,000 in the Autumn Statement).
Depends how you access it

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

187 months

Monday 19th December 2016
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BarryGibb said:
Depends how you access it
Yes, fair point.

The OP didn't state if the pension was payable from a DB or DC arrangement.

FidoGoRetroGo

Original Poster:

125 posts

119 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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The pension that I can take at 55 is from a final salary scheme which I left in 2008. (The old type of BBC pension which hasn't been open to new members for some time).