Which Gen 2 987 Cayman S to get?

[Mr Overheads]

I've potentially got someone buying my R8 V10 this Friday. So I will rapidly need a new car. Selling the R8 to release cash so a Cayman S looks good replacement. Have done plenty of searches read forums etc and narrowed it down to a Gen 2 987 S. But, of those currently listed for sale on Pistonheads, Autotrader (or elsewhere?) which would be the one 's you would pick and why? i.e. copy paste the links here please. I've looked at so many I've confused myself.

I'm not interested in Silver, but any other colour is fine.
- Must be manual
- Must have Bluetooth (so I can listen to music/podcasts etc using phone)
- PSE (which I think is a switch to make exhaust louder would be a strong preference)
- Would like heated seats and/or cruise control (for those 50mph motorway average speed sections)
- Preferably upgraded Audio
- preferably lower mileage for ease of resale, but not adverse to a higher mileage if it's "fully loaded with desirable options" so easy resale.

Budget is upto £25k but might stretch another couple of £k because deals can be done for quick sales before Christmas.

Reading the forums there doesn't seem to be any must-have options which would make the car very hard to sell on if it didn't have it. e.g. PASM, Chrono

Edited by Mr Overheads on Tuesday 20th December 09:44

[boxsey]

Last time I looked the prices for a good spec gen II S were more like £30K. The prices have been very firm for a while now because it's a highly regarded car. There are still many that prefer the gen II 987 to the subsequent 981. So upping your budget may lead you to finding one with the spec you're after. Good luck with the search.

[Mr Overheads]

These are the ones I saved with Autotrader filters last night:
1) http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
From a well respected dealer and very local to me, but seems overpriced compared to the below
2) http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
3) http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Seems high spec and liek teh classic porsche style wheels
4) http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Love the wheels

And 2 from Pistonheads:
5) http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
6) http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Edited by Mr Overheads on Tuesday 20th December 10:06

[johnconners]

I just bought a late 2011 S (manual) with all those options plus PASM, Xenons and sports seats on 24K miles for £31K and given the mileage, options and condition it seemed about right compared to similar cars. I wasn't bothered about PASM as an option but on 19" wheels it really does ride beautifully (had a 2.9 Cayman before, non-PASM with 19" wheels so I can feel the difference, although I still found it fine as a daily driver).

I bought mine from where your first link is to so had a look at it. Lovely condition (with extended leather too, not many about) and I'd have been tempted to buy it had they not had the lower mileage, higher optioned, 2 year younger one I ended up with. Cruise control can be retrofitted for a few hundred quid easily enough (as cruise was on my must have list).

They do seem to be mileage sensitive and the prices fall off dramatically as they get close to and over 50K. Guess it depends how well maintained they are as clutches seem to start going around 40K along with various parts of the suspension and cooling system (radiators) so a well maintained higher mileage one might be a steal or a potential money pit. Only way to really tell which is have a good look in person.

[Mr Overheads]

johnconners said:

They do seem to be mileage sensitive and the prices fall off dramatically as they get close to and over 50K. Guess it depends how well maintained they are as clutches seem to start going around 40K along with various parts of the suspension and cooling system (radiators) so a well maintained higher mileage one might be a steal or a potential money pit. Only way to really tell which is have a good look in person.

Seems to be either a money pit if you buy one sub 50k miles and then it hits 50k in your ownership so you'll lose money on depreciation or buy one that's hit 50k already and it might cost you in new parts instead. Either way you get hit.

So don't think I'll worry about that, but might have to negotiate hard if the right one is very close but below 50k.

[johnconners]

Yeah, good point, you pay either way! I certainly wouldn't have been put off by a higher mileage one (especially if the clutch had been done) but ended up impulse buying. Good luck!

[Mr Overheads]

What's wrong with this one?

Seems to have most of the main options buyers would look for. Yes it's higher mileage at 64k but there are other 64k milers that are 2009 cars priced at similar prices. This is a 2012 car. It's even been reduced in price by the dealer to try and shift it.

What am I missing?

edit: Forgot link:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

[Mr Overheads]

And is this one Gen 2 or Gen 1?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
It's got the Gen 2 style centre console (but in silver) but the Gen 1 style front bumper.

[finestjammy]

Mr Overheads said:

And is this one Gen 2 or Gen 1?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
It's got the Gen 2 style centre console (but in silver) but the Gen 1 style front bumper.

Definitely a Gen 1 Run out special 'sport' edition.

[Mr Overheads]

finestjammy said:

Mr Overheads said:

And is this one Gen 2 or Gen 1?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
It's got the Gen 2 style centre console (but in silver) but the Gen 1 style front bumper.

Definitely a Gen 1 Run out special 'sport' edition.

Love the colour and styling but definitely want the Gen 2 engine etc given everything I've read.

[finestjammy]

Just to give you an idea of one persons ownership experience, me, I bought an 09 987.2 S with 39k miles last September for £28k, it now has 51k on the clock. It has PASM, xenons, cruise, parking sesnsors, sat nav, blue tooth, USB/iPod audio, sport chrono, sound package plus, climate and 19 inch wheels. Things that have been replaced (some under warranty, some at my expense that either needed replacing or as prevantatibe maintenance):

Under warranty

Rear light unit (water droplets)
Door membranes (damp at the base after rain/washing)
A few coolant hoses and clips (one spectacular coolant dump the day after I collected and one small leak a couple of Welles ago)
DME (persistent error that the OPC couldn't trace, the while unit was replaced)
Horn (just one of the 'tones')
Front discs and pads (the supplying OPC messed up and should have done these prior to collection)

My own pocket

Clutch AND flywheel at 50k (beware that the gen 2 flywheel is a Porsche order only part at the moment £850!!)
Propshaft sensor
AOS (nothing really wrong, just an easy bit of preventative maintenance)
Engine mount (me being sensitive again, nothing wrong with the old one)
Rear discs and pads (not worn but corroded on the inside)
MAF (no error codes, just me being picky again)
Front coffin and tuning fork arms, track rod ends and drop links (the bushing had gone on the offside tuning fork, decided to have the whole front end done and a four wheel alignment)
Spark plugs (again, nothing wrong with them)
Oil change at 40k and 50k
Transmission oil change at 40k
Aircon regas
Hydrogen clean (possibly snake oil but relatively cheap to get done)

I've had a professional sound deadening install and numerous details with fancy ceramics too, obviously these are totally optional

Happy hunting.

[Mr Overheads]

finestjammy said:

Said lot sof very good stuff

You're not selling are you, sounds like a very well cared for car.

[finestjammy]

Mr Overheads said:

You're not selling are you, sounds like a very well cared for car.

Not yet I'm afraid I'm planning on keeping this one for a while longer. That's partly why I go overboard, possibly excessive, with maintenance and upgrades. I'd concur with other folks though that if looking at a car with circa 40-60k miles I'd want to see a history file with invoices for parts and labour, and not just a stamped service book. Compared to the gen 1 though there shouldn't be any catastrophic failures on the horizon. I did one dyno run in mine (I don't like to do multiple runs) just to get an idea if was all healthy and it put out 336 bhp. If looked after I don't think the mileage should be a deterrent.

PS
For me a must have option was xenons, as I thought the standard halogens were shockingly bad.

[ooid]

Sorry to steal your topic but why are you selling your R8 V10!

[Mr Overheads]

ooid said:

Sorry to steal your topic but why are you selling your R8 V10!

Several:
Likely to have another baby so in 12 months I'll need a 4 seat car, so lets rattle off another drivers car from the wish list in the form of the Cayman.
Need to release funds for a house extension
And also want to fund another season of motor racing

So in short family and money. Life's too short to keep one car for 4 years. R8 V10 is a fantastic piece of kit, amazing power and great fun too.

[Klippie]

I'm not interested in Silver, but any other colour is fine.
- Must be manual
- Must have Bluetooth (so I can listen to music/podcasts etc using phone)
- PSE (which I think is a switch to make exhaust louder would be a strong preference)
- Would like heated seats and/or cruise control (for those 50mph motorway average speed sections)
- Preferably upgraded Audio
- preferably lower mileage for ease of resale, but not adverse to a higher mileage if it's "fully loaded with desirable options" so easy resale.

I wouldn't worry about bluetooth for music - the USB under the armrest works perfect.

PSE - You'll be lucky finding one - retro fit around £2k from OPC - or Carnewal modified stock exhaust check out Youtube for sound clips.

Cruise retrofit I had it done in mine £400 OPC.

By audio upgrade if you mean Bose its crap just like their so called Hi-Fi equipment I've struggled to get it sounding half decent.

Oh and don't be put off by 19" wheels on stock suspension you get used to the harsh ride, plus it looks great.

Must halves - Xenons are superb best lights I've had on a car, sports seats are very nice to have too.

Good luck with your search but as has been mentioned £30k+ for a good low miles example is probably nearer the mark.

This looks nice - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

Edited by Klippie on Wednesday 21st December 00:16

[delays]

Klippie said:

Good luck with your search but as has been mentioned £30k+ for a good low miles example is probably nearer the mark.

I think this.

In a good spec and decent condition/maintenance/miles combination, the Gen 2 Cayman is a rare beast and prices have been firm for a while. There is downward pressure from the 981 but the top end of the 987.2 market tends to be better spec and condition than the bottom of the 981 market.

[Mr Overheads]

delays said:

I think this.

In a good spec and decent condition/maintenance/miles combination, the Gen 2 Cayman is a rare beast and prices have been firm for a while. There is downward pressure from the 981 but the top end of the 987.2 market tends to be better spec and condition than the bottom of the 981 market.

I've put a deposit on this one:
http://www.williamscrawford.co.uk/yii/explore/inde...
Sports Exhaust (not just tips) with make it loud button - check
Cruise Control - check
Sports Seats - check
PASM - check
Low miles - check
Low owners - check
Sports Chrono Plus - added bonus
Turbo wheels - added bonus
Nav - added bonus for re-sale, will use Google Maps on phone myself.
Speakers - upgraded to SPP (better than basic but not the more bassy branded Bose)
Only thing missing is the Xenons, but these seem to be as rare as a rare thing. I don't live in the middle of nowhere, so happy with standards.

R8 V10 still for sale in the PH classifieds.....

[johnconners]

Looks a beauty! Almost identical to mine right down to the wheels! The sports exhaust is very handy for drowning out the low speed rear hatch rattle that every Cayman I've been in seems to suffer from! Haven't seen many manuals with sport chrono so a nice bonus indeed. Enjoy!

[Pterri]

You know that Bluetooth only connects up the phone? Doesn't connect up your phone for music etc, there is a special cable for iPods. Annoying how tech goes obsolete so quickly there days. I think there are fixes out there