Finance Question
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Big Ry

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1,682 posts

150 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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Before we start, I know some always pay cash and would never use finance etc and I wish I was one of them, but i'm not, so that's the end of that one wink

Are there any knowledgeable folk on here who can give a genuine indication of what a realistic finance rate is at present (flat, not the APR) ? Probably looking to borrow circa 50% on a deal (maybe 40% depending on what I opt for). Credit is exemplary too so no need for Amigo loans biggrin I'd assume some of the bespoke lenders should be pretty competitive at the moment, but I'm really not sure.

In the politest possible way too, I'm not after "I wouldn't pay more than X", I'm after some genuine advice here.......so not sure why i'm asking you lot getmecoat

AMDBSVNick

7,221 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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New or used will make a difference. If there is a dealer contribution on a new car it is usually subject to you using their finance. On a used car there are numerous companies out there who will fight for your business. All that said I have no idea ATM what a competitive rate might be, sorry

renmure

4,949 posts

255 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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No great advice to offer, but a mate recently took out a personal loan with Sainsbury's Bank and I thought he was kidding when he told me what the repayments were and what the total repaid was. Can't remember any specifics but came away having had my eyes open as to how cheap it seemed to be to borrow money.

Big Ry

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1,682 posts

150 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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It'll be used so other than the deal I can haggle the price will be as is.

I know some of the high street lenders are doing some pretty good deals, I just wondered if anyone knew what sort of rates the more specialist lenders were doing of late.

dbs2000

2,756 posts

223 months

Saturday 31st December 2016
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I re-financed my DBS with my bank (Halifax); from logging on to my bank account, clicking their online options and having the money in my bank took less than 15 minutes.

I saved 5k on my previous loan and knocked 6 months off. Things I would say to look out for are early repayment / termination penalties, via a broker these can be quite large (read over 1k for terminating the loan early). My bank have a glass ceiling of £100 and I can repay extra whenever I please. Long term the cheapest may not be the cheapest so check the small print.


M5MarkM

1,686 posts

202 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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If buying from an AM dealer they won't start with the best rate, try haggling them. Also phone Alphera directly and ask them for a rate. As an example BMW (Alphera) were interest free on my BMW but I believe circa 4% (after haggling) on Aston

Ken Figenus

6,011 posts

148 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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I got 2.86%pa = 6.2% APR with Santader via a broker for the missus new car + £200 fee. Put 40% down. BMW wanted 10.9% APR.

RobDown

3,807 posts

159 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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M5MarkM said:
If buying from an AM dealer they won't start with the best rate, try haggling them. Also phone Alphera directly and ask them for a rate. As an example BMW (Alphera) were interest free on my BMW but I believe circa 4% (after haggling) on Aston
This is something to watch for. The dealers get a commission from alphera for signing people up to loans. But they can get multiples of that if they load extra points on to the rate. So watch out for it and haggle

hashluck

1,626 posts

306 months

Monday 2nd January 2017
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5.9 to 6% APR is what you should be looking for as a competitive rate

Paza3

196 posts

162 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Surely the cheapest way would to be raise the capital required would be via a "homeowner loan" as it will be as low as 1.0-1.5% subject to LTV. If you go with a tracker rate with unlimited overpayment, you can overpay to your hearts content. Go with a fee free product and job done that way no costs or fees. Its a bit of a pain with all the normal checks. However lets say you borrow £60,000 over say 7 years at a rate of 1.2% or £60,000 at a rate of 6% the saving in interest would be (2585.08-13626.84) so total saved in interest = £11,041.76.

Debt is debt whether its secured borrowing or not? some people will be "turtle necking" at this suggestion however its fairly logical when you consider the £11,000+ saving example.

I can't add anything on dealer rates of finance , just a left field idea smile good luck with your search

Big Ry

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1,682 posts

150 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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Paza3 said:
Surely the cheapest way would to be raise the capital required would be via a "homeowner loan" as it will be as low as 1.0-1.5% subject to LTV. If you go with a tracker rate with unlimited overpayment, you can overpay to your hearts content. Go with a fee free product and job done that way no costs or fees. Its a bit of a pain with all the normal checks. However lets say you borrow £60,000 over say 7 years at a rate of 1.2% or £60,000 at a rate of 6% the saving in interest would be (2585.08-13626.84) so total saved in interest = £11,041.76.

Debt is debt whether its secured borrowing or not? some people will be "turtle necking" at this suggestion however its fairly logical when you consider the £11,000+ saving example.

I can't add anything on dealer rates of finance , just a left field idea smile good luck with your search
Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your logic, I've more chance in getting Kim Jong-Un round for a BBQ than I have in the Mrs agreeing to let me borrow against the house for a car, she already thinks I'm mental enough as it is jester

AstonExige

661 posts

138 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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^^^^^ laughlaughlaugh


V8V Pete

2,536 posts

157 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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Big Ry said:
Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your logic, I've more chance in getting Kim Jong-Un round for a BBQ than I have in the Mrs agreeing to let me borrow against the house for a car, she already thinks I'm mental enough as it is jester
Yes but if you tell her it will cost you £11K less if you do it against the house (and you're going to do it anyway whatever she thinks) then she might, I said might, see the inescapable logic of it. Good luck with having this conversation biggrin

bentley01

1,198 posts

167 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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Well the conversation I had with my wife when I wanted to change the V8 for a V12 went like this. ' You know I want to keep this car forever' 'yes'. she sighed rolling her eyes. I then continued with because I want to keep it forever I need to change it. I'm not sure she listened to my logic of less production numbers means a better keeper etc etc but hey ho

shropshireAston

204 posts

160 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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bentley01 said:
Well the conversation I had with my wife when I wanted to change the V8 for a V12 went like this. ' You know I want to keep this car forever' 'yes'. she sighed rolling her eyes. I then continued with because I want to keep it forever I need to change it. I'm not sure she listened to my logic of less production numbers means a better keeper etc etc but hey ho
biggrin I think we've all had those conversations.. my V8 to V12 chat went the same way.. rolling eyes... man maths at its best... I even got a man maths t-shirt for xmas as a subtle hint.. as I think she's expecting the same sort of chat when I want a newer V12.. or dare I say it a move to a 570s!

TKP

127 posts

122 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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I didn't have that conversation because I'm aware of my lack of credibility biggrin

And if I would claim "I'll keep it forever" she would just reply "ok, that means when you want the next one you are going to have two of them?".

Anyway, back to topic, borrowing against the house is definitely the smartest way if feasible but I'm not sure every credit contract allows for "off-topic" usage of the money...

AMDBSTony

1,130 posts

198 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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bentley01 said:
Well the conversation I had with my wife when I wanted to change the V8 for a V12 went like this. ' You know I want to keep this car forever' 'yes'. she sighed rolling her eyes. I then continued with because I want to keep it forever I need to change it. I'm not sure she listened to my logic of less production numbers means a better keeper etc etc but hey ho
When i wanted to upgrade from my DB9 to a DBS, i didn't consult the wife because i knew what her response would be.

I worked on the principle that it was far easier to ask for forgiveness than it was for permission laugh

Grumpydev

265 posts

132 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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You could always spend half of that saved money on some sparkly carbon to distract the other half hehe

Upperworks

1,259 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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I told the Mrs I was going to sell the Range Rover when I got the Vanquish. I knew she would'nt believe me if I said the V12V.

Nothing is going anywhere smile

bentley01

1,198 posts

167 months

Wednesday 4th January 2017
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shropshireAston said:
biggrin I think we've all had those conversations.. my V8 to V12 chat went the same way.. rolling eyes... man maths at its best... I even got a man maths t-shirt for xmas as a subtle hint.. as I think she's expecting the same sort of chat when I want a newer V12.. or dare I say it a move to a 570s!
How very dare you! Thinking of swapping your sublime DBS for a 570s. One is on the way up and the other despite being brilliant has only one way to go. Not to mention the lack of aural thrills.