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BCA

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8,651 posts

286 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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Good morning PH,

It's been a while since I have posted due to me suffering quite badly from depression (felt it best to stay away from posting) - currently attacking it with medication and hope my lovely GP is right about it kicking in soonish...

Anyway, the reason for me posting is unfortunately down to my current state of mind. I am NOT enjoying life right now and I dont enjoy the course I am currently on.

I have been heading towards this career for as long as I can remember, but the closer I get to it the more I feel it isnt for me. The course, although interesting at times and no doubt beneficial for the time I have been here - is not what I expected and I have lacked the enthusiasm to deal with the more dull aspects.

Basically, im lost. I dont feel that I can continue with this course and have no real idea what else to do with my life. I have never really considered anything else?? Over the past few years I have taken a bigger and bigger interest in the driving side of my passion, rather than the aesthetic. I was told that having a license and actually driving day-to-day would kill it off slightly, but to be honest im happiest when driving anything, even driving normally at the speed limit.

I really want to do something that involves cars, I would love for it to involve driving in some way too. They are my passion, and I feel that they are also my strength. Anyone will who knows me will testify, im completely petrolheaded, to the point where I could make alot of petrolheads very very bored with various bits of knowledge... I would like to think that if I could apply that to my career I could really excel and hope my enthusiasm would be a welcome asset to whoever my future employer may be.

Im after suggestions of possible careers and/or career paths to take? I am also extremely interested to hear from anyone who has left University and whether they have regretted it.

At the moment, careers that I can think of off the top of my head that interest me are:

Automotive Journalism
Testing
Racing

Does anyone know of ways to get into the above??

My driving ability is above average for my age/ experience although in the grand scheme of things I am first to admit that im at the bottom of a very steep learning curve that will never end. Any PH'ers that have passengered with me, feel free to comment on my driving. I am constantly trying to improve and (finances willing) do atleast one advanced driving course a year (none of that pass plus nonsense, proper driving- harewood hillclimb school was my last course, tempted by first lotus next..) I also do atleast one trackday a year (hopefully more this year if I can borrow the Cerb)

As a person I consider myself to be well mannered and enthusiastic towards my interests. Im always striving to improve my knowledge of anything automotive and I am a fast learner. Again, any PH'ers that have met me, feel free to comment.

All suggestions are appreciated, I dont know what to do with myself at the moment. Right now it just feels like I am killing time and wasting my life.

Thanks in advance,
Ben CA

>>> Edited by BCA on Monday 21st March 05:33

Kiwi XTR2

2,693 posts

261 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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Chin up mate.

From the other side of the planet it's a little hard to offer any remotely serious career advice but I would pass on a few observations from my many, many, many years of hanging around and trying to be useful.

Anytime the seagull-of-life has crapped on me and everything has turned a shade of grey it helps to :
1) Eat better (discover fruit & veggies)
2) Drink plenty of water
3) Exercise more (in the fresh air)
4) Cut out the booze (for a short while )
5) Get a decent 8 hours sleep per night

This doesn't solve anything by itself but does help balance things up and lets you see things more clearly.

Best of luck with considering your career options

speedy_thrills

7,903 posts

272 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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Considered taking up racing in your spare time? Every one has to start somewhere and a lot of people choose these because they are relatively (no Champaign or racing on the streets of Monaco here I’m afraid) cheap :
Often we have to do things we don’t want to so that we may achieve our dreams, your job will fund your racing and if you are absolutely dedicated (burning midnight oil, getting up at 4am to go out and practice on weekends). You may find that this develops into a career or a business if you can prove you are capable. It’s never too late to start and the best time is right now!

Careers in motor journalism and testing are hard fought over (funny that people love driving cars fast around a track for a living isn’t it?) and a career in racing/rallying may be just the way to get yourself kick started! Expect casual work at first and plenty of rejection but if you never give up, I’m sure you can make it all the way. I’m sure you have the entire PH collective behind you, many of who from what I have seen would dive in at a seconds notice to help a fellow PHer. Good luck!

BCA

Original Poster:

8,651 posts

286 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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Just fed up with things at the moment, so im after suggestions of possible career changes...

whittaker52

1,031 posts

284 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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Hi Mate,
Ive been through alot of the same thought processes as you over the past i-dont-know how many years. I originally wanted to go into the automotive design engineering side of things, then i slightly changed and wanted to go into motorsport engineering design, but now im considering doing a course at the national college for motorsport - www.nc4m.ac.uk/

As you know ive been ill since i was about 14/15 which has meant ive had to consider things alot more, so i have to go into something that i will be happy doing for a long time!

Being involved with cars is something ive always wanted to do, and its something im definitely not going to let go of.

The only other idea that really seems to spring to mind is working at a car dealer as a sales person, possibly technician? as you have a real passion for cars. other than that im not really sure.

Also remember that Coventry run a motorsport course,so you may be able to move across onto that? although you will probably have to wait till september now id imagine. but there are channels in which you can do this.

>> Edited by whittaker52 on Tuesday 22 March 12:27

stackmonkey

5,084 posts

278 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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BCA,

Speedy Thrill's ideas are pretty good. if you have the time and financial means to do some lo-cost racing, you may be able to actually use some of your course knowledge to improve whichever vehicle you start racing.

I would have thought to contact all the relevant car magazines and local newspapers to try and get into automotive journalism and make friends with local dealers so that you can get test drives on the latest cars (to write about them).

Graham.J

5,420 posts

288 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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All about getting your priorities in order mate, which means starting off with your current frame of mind and the things associated with it (which we've been through endless times) once you are in the right frame of mind you will start to enjoy things more and take more of an interest, the way you are at the moment, chances are you may just flit from this to that just as something to pass the time.

Diet plays a major factor into all of this too which has been mentioned above, start eating the right stuff, exercising right and sleeping right and with a bit of will power, determination and perseverance you'll start to concentrate more on the more important things in life, like what you actually want to do with it.....without it being all hazy and and clouded.

*repeat what I've said all along to you*

willmcc

758 posts

268 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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I studied agriculture at uni for 2 years before leaving in a flurry of recriminations and blame.
to be frank it was the best thing i have ever done, not to say that it is easy but there is no way i would have got his far had i finished the degree. I see it a a proving ground that may or may not lead onwards.
Celebrity dropouts of course include Bill Gates and Paul Allen amongst many others

bjwoods

5,018 posts

313 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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BCA said:
Good morning PH,

It's been a while since I have posted due to me suffering quite badly from depression (felt it best to stay away from posting) - currently attacking it with medication and hope my lovely GP is right about it kicking in soonish...

Anyway, the reason for me posting is unfortunately down to my current state of mind. I am NOT enjoying life right now and I dont enjoy the course I am currently on.

I have been heading towards this career for as long as I can remember, but the closer I get to it the more I feel it isnt for me. The course, although interesting at times and no doubt beneficial for the time I have been here - is not what I expected and I have lacked the enthusiasm to deal with the more dull aspects.

Basically, im lost. I dont feel that I can continue with this course and have no real idea what else to do with my life. I have never really considered anything else?? Over the past few years I have taken a bigger and bigger interest in the driving side of my passion, rather than the aesthetic. I was told that having a license and actually driving day-to-day would kill it off slightly, but to be honest im happiest when driving anything, even driving normally at the speed limit.

I really want to do something that involves cars, I would love for it to involve driving in some way too. They are my passion, and I feel that they are also my strength. Anyone will who knows me will testify, im completely petrolheaded, to the point where I could make alot of petrolheads very very bored with various bits of knowledge... I would like to think that if I could apply that to my career I could really excel and hope my enthusiasm would be a welcome asset to whoever my future employer may be.

Im after suggestions of possible careers and/or career paths to take? I am also extremely interested to hear from anyone who has left University and whether they have regretted it.

At the moment, careers that I can think of off the top of my head that interest me are:

Automotive Journalism
Testing
Racing

Does anyone know of ways to get into the above??

My driving ability is above average for my age/ experience although in the grand scheme of things I am first to admit that im at the bottom of a very steep learning curve that will never end. Any PH'ers that have passengered with me, feel free to comment on my driving. I am constantly trying to improve and (finances willing) do atleast one advanced driving course a year (none of that pass plus nonsense, proper driving- harewood hillclimb school was my last course, tempted by first lotus next..) I also do atleast one trackday a year (hopefully more this year if I can borrow the Cerb)

As a person I consider myself to be well mannered and enthusiastic towards my interests. Im always striving to improve my knowledge of anything automotive and I am a fast learner. Again, any PH'ers that have met me, feel free to comment.

All suggestions are appreciated, I dont know what to do with myself at the moment. Right now it just feels like I am killing time and wasting my life.

Thanks in advance,
Ben CA

>>> Edited by BCA on Monday 21st March 05:33




Finish the corse, useful to have to help you into any of the alternative options you mentioned....

Being professional in work, means dealing with the the dull as well.

LOTs of young men want to be associated with cars, in all its forms, you will need an edge, and or lots of money. Unfortuanetly, there are lots of other young petrolheads out there with all the above, and yet they still do not succeed. ie trackdays 2-3 times a month, compete in numerous competions, ie the caterham accademy, and many others, years going through karting, other forms of motorsport.

This is not meant to sound negative, but realistic...

How long do you have to go if less than 18 months stick it out, get theit of paper you have to be in the industry to get the contact you need.

Early on im most courses is the boring dull stuff (ie remedial stuff to catch up on the education system we have) try transfering onto a more satisfying course, always options...

As for people saying look at Paul Allen, Bill gates they dropped out, they succeede, I think you will find in live that this sort of individual was/are very much the exception... PLUS they both knew what they wanted to do, their idea and business took over, grew a life of it's own and something had to give, making there degree not worth pursueing. I'm sure they also had there dull moements drudgery and shear hard work, working stupid hours, with no guarantee of success. IE they all ready KNEW what to do, they hAD FOUND THERE IDEA, HAD THE BENEFIT OF TIMEING IN A NEW MARKET, WHERE BIG BUSINESS HAD NOT RECognised the challenges...

MOST dropouts (especially these days end up in mc jobs)

I do understand, did chemistry (usual trap best a-level) wanted to drop out, (SERIUOSLY BAD TIME, 4 weeks to go to deadline for thesis - waste the previous rour years of my life if not do it, could not bring myself to write anything, huge stress, could not face doing it, just stressed doing nothing alone for three weeks -not GOOD- Nearly killed myself doing months work in 10 days, no sleep, just out of pride and hating every second, everythinh felt way to personal)
Cold light of day, without this I would never been able to take up the opportunities to do something completely different/more interesting that came a few months later. Looking back most of stress self induced, fear of failure and fear of success.

but reality was get a good science degree, gives you a lot of options compared to not having any degree... Did havea placement year out of it, automotive division of Castrol, involved in some racing product (reformualtion of SRF at the time) saw some worlds sports car events from the pits courtesy of work. GOTthe bit of paper, did a MSc in cybernetics(still don't know exactly how i maanged to charm my way onto this with an applies chemistry degree- thesis in very boring electrically conducting polymers probably helped as far as the robotics side went), worked in IT and am now in property/father of 2.

dropping out with out something to go to is not going to help, have a plan first, doesnt mattewr what it is, but try to make it as Realitics pragmatic, acheivable as possible. it is very difficult to just get into the jobs you mentioned from SCRATCH. though most opportunities are also missed because most people don't take the time to step back and access the millions of possibilities that are all around them

Good Luck

B

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>> Edited by bjwoods on Monday 21st March 21:52

Frik

13,677 posts

272 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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Just wondering what parts of your course you find interesting/terminally dull?

Not everyone in the industry is a car designer or an engineer and there are all sorts of other interesting things going on. OTOH I reckon that having some sort of recognised automotive-type degree will help getting in (even if it is not this one).

I know it's very difficult to get motivated when your self-esteem has taken a battering but following all the avice from people above, it does get better.

Rich.

P.S. Would it be worth a chat with your tutor or another lecturer? At the very least they should be informed about your circumstances so that it can be taken into account come assessment time.

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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I've been a bit run down/tired lately.

Decided to go down to Cornwall for the weekend.

880 miles later I feel much better for it

It's good to blow out the cobwebs every now & then.

-DeaDLocK-

3,368 posts

280 months

Monday 21st March 2005
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BCA,

If you don't mind my asking, how old are you?

I ask because I am under the assumption that you're quite young, and I really don't want to sound patronising, but if you are then hang steady for a while till it all makes sense.

It's good that you're thinking about your career now and about your dreams - too many of us forget it all and get caught up in the race of pressure and pain; while forgetting to actually live in the process.

But the overriding sense I get from your post is one of naivity, and please I DON'T mean that in a bad way. What I'm saying is that maybe you haven't yet developed a worldview or haven't actually come to terms with who you are and what you want - "depression" and "life" isn't defined just by what course you're studying or what specific career you want to pursue - it goes a LOT deeper than that, and I have a feeling that you haven't yet actually blossomed in that way, and are impatient for it to happen.

Eat well and cheer up, okay? You've got lots of seconds left to really uncover what you want and who you are - in the mean time, appreciate the moments of madness youth affords you and live it large.

Things will unfold in due course.

Hope I've made sense...

D

I'm only 24 myself but I skipped a few years by not doing the usual thing. Now running my own business, fast car and enjoying thing. I think I've been where you are, and my best advice is hang in there - it gets better.

rico

7,917 posts

284 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Ben - everyone here is saying the same stuff really. You're only 19 (i think... ) so you've got the rest of your life to be original and do your 'own thing' but a degree early on will REALLY help you in the future.

You're bloody good at art from what you've shown me and are doing Automotive Design at Coventry... thats pretty much the best course in the world for designing CARS!

If you get the degree and work for say Pininfarina, you'll be driving the latest Ferraris in your lunch break.

Stick it out... you'll regret giving up on such a good opportunity if you do!

BCA

Original Poster:

8,651 posts

286 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Righty, must stress, im not after a "feel good" response or anything... that stuff is being dealt with outside of PH thanks to a very understanding doctor and a massive group of friends.

My key concern was/is that I am finding it very hard to be enthusiastic about my course, whilst this is no doubt heavily effected by my current state of mind - I want to make sure that I dont end up getting stuck doing something I dislike.

I just wanted a few other suggestions in order to evaluate things in my head a little... I am quite sure the grass is rarely greener and such, just wish to keep options open.

Thanks to all those that have contributed.

Gazboy: Thats not helpful in the slightest, you are right - well done for being able to see the bigger picture in everything. It is not currently an ability which I have.

Scruffy

3,757 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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BCA, you're doing the wrong thing.

Do something else.

You may be too clever for what you're doing at the mo and feel trapped...

Branch out man, think of new things.

Waddya like doing...

8Pack

5,182 posts

269 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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'ere Scruffy, You're awfully well developed for a twelve year old?

Piglet

6,250 posts

284 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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Finish the course Ben, it sounds like you're doing something that will look good on your CV in the future whatever you decide to do.

Yes you hate it and find it tediously dull at the moment - show me someone who did enjoy their degree course - it's not supposed to be fun! It's about proving that you can reach a certain academic standard and have the self discipline to get out of bed in the morning, get to lectures, get the coursework done and get through exams. These are skills that an employer is looking for, dropping out now will give you a really big hurdle to get over when you start looking for jobs - what scares an employer is someone without sticking power.

Make the most of your spare time - get involved in motorsport, if you can't find a team (post of the general motorsport forum) who wants a wheelwasher and tea boy then think about marshalling. Demonstrate to a potential employer that you LOVE motorsport and will do anything to be involved. Even if you go for non motorsport jobs first off it will give you something to talk about at interview and show that you have the dedication to do something that you love even if you're not being paid for it - that may give you an advantage over other candidates.

If you're thinking abour journalism then start doing some now, find out what clubs there are at your uni, get involved in a newsletter, start writing race reports or PR even if you're not being paid for it. Again demonstrate that this is something you REALLY want to do. Your technical knowledge will be invaluable if you do go into motorsport or automobile journalism at a later date.

Also - to reiterate what someone said about, the majoirity of people involved in motorsport do so with the funding of their real jobs. There are very few people (at national motorsport level) who make a good income from motorsport, find yourself a career that you enjoy and then work on the motorsport. I love the involvement I have and wouldn't give it up for the world, but I couldn't do it without my real job (and probably wouldn't want to - then it would be real work!)

Good luck

Racylady

931 posts

262 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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I think it depends on how much longer you've got on your current course. If it's a long time and you are really, really not happy with it - change to something else. If it's only a matter of months, stick it out and get that bit of paper. In the industry, no one likes a quitter. It's okay for someone to change direction, but you need to be sure that it's something you really want to do and I'm not so sure you're in a position to make that decision in your current state of mind.
I studied for my degree and my post grad diploma part time whilst working full time and, during those 6 years there were many, many times when I wondered whether it was worth it and if it was ever going to end. I'm glad I stuck it out though because it has put me in a position where I can now go racing. Sometimes I hate my job with a passion - but it also funds my passion and that's the reason I don't mind getting up every morning and dealing with a load of st.
I agree with most of the other PH'ers here who say go out and do something during your weekends - Go help a team, write some car/racing related articles for a Uni paper, go karting (Club 100?), marshalling - whatever -just spend some of your time doing something you enjoy and the rest won't feel as bad. It will also be very helpful for you because, if there's one thing I've learnt about the motorsport industry, a lot of it is to do with who you know - so start making some connections now and it will pay off later.
Hope that helps.


>> Edited by Racylady on Tuesday 22 March 09:27

WildfireS3

9,947 posts

281 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2005
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BCA, sorry to hear about your problems. Last year I was not feeling so good, havign scored the job I wanted I found that it was not all that I thought it would be and a host of other problems arose, which left me feeling not so good.

The best thing I found was to take some time out, eventually I quit my job for a different one in a diifferent area and am subsequently a lot happier. I feel healthy and content.

The porblem with this is that I was in a job rather than Uni. What I would say is: Have youthought about deferring for a year?

How long have you got left? If it's only a year than, knuckle down and get it over with. Then you will have some time to reflect on things as well as take a break. Have you spoken to your parents and friends about your situation? Often it is worth listening to friends who you are close to, as they can give a pretty good objective view.

If you don't have too long left, take some time off over Easter, have a bit of a breather, catch up with some friends and get back on the horse, it's not too long. Take some time to work out exactly what is making you feel bad, is it the work? A particular class? Personal life issues?

It's all a bit crazy and I did consider leaving Uni, but as I only had a year left I decided to continue and am happy that I did so. A lot of my friends felt the same, a lot of work + you feel it's time to move on.

Echoing my fellow PHers, try for a hobby/pasttime. Somthing totally different to your course, when I worked in games I stayed well away from games and did physical stuff. Make sure you're getting out and socialising.

>> Edited by WildfireS3 on Tuesday 22 March 09:44