996 Turbo to 997.2 C2S
Discussion
Hi guys,
I have a 996 turbo manual. It seems that I can change to a 997.2 C2S as they are about the same value. This is tempting as I use the car in a congested city where we get lots of traffic queues. If I went for the PDK box it would be easier to use day to day. It would also be newer and probably more reliable.
Of course, the 997.2 will fall in value but I'm unsure of how much as it's pretty reliable compared to the 997.1. Turbo has already appreciated in value but may go up further.
On paper they are similar in terms of acceleration, prob due to the PDK. Would imagine the in-gear shove of the turbo is better than the C2S.
Has anyone made this move? Any thoughts on this?
I have a 996 turbo manual. It seems that I can change to a 997.2 C2S as they are about the same value. This is tempting as I use the car in a congested city where we get lots of traffic queues. If I went for the PDK box it would be easier to use day to day. It would also be newer and probably more reliable.
Of course, the 997.2 will fall in value but I'm unsure of how much as it's pretty reliable compared to the 997.1. Turbo has already appreciated in value but may go up further.
On paper they are similar in terms of acceleration, prob due to the PDK. Would imagine the in-gear shove of the turbo is better than the C2S.
Has anyone made this move? Any thoughts on this?
chriscoates81 said:
I'm in exactly the same boat, I miss the noise from my old 996 C2 and I reckon a C2S would be a perfect side grade.
Difficult decision isn't it? The Turbo's party trick is definitely the slug of boost you get. The C2S is 385bhp so not exactly weak by comparison. As has been said, I'll need to drive one. Turbo feels rear drive, if a little removed, but with the security of 4wd if the back gets away too much. I suppose the C2S might feel a little more pure. Turbo engine note is unsinspiring. I have a sports exhaust which is better but still not as nice an NA. NA power delivery may be a little better on track.Suppose my main issue is that my turbo is not exactly a joy to drive in traffic and is a bit grumpy until its warmed up etc. Usual feature of an older car. Does anyone know if there is a lot more refinement with the C2S over the 996 turbo?
Onetrackmind said:
Difficult decision isn't it? The Turbo's party trick is definitely the slug of boost you get. The C2S is 385bhp so not exactly weak by comparison. As has been said, I'll need to drive one. Turbo feels rear drive, if a little removed, but with the security of 4wd if the back gets away too much. I suppose the C2S might feel a little more pure. Turbo engine note is unsinspiring. I have a sports exhaust which is better but still not as nice an NA. NA power delivery may be a little better on track.
Suppose my main issue is that my turbo is not exactly a joy to drive in traffic and is a bit grumpy until its warmed up etc. Usual feature of an older car. Does anyone know if there is a lot more refinement with the C2S over the 996 turbo?
Thats pretty much my thoughts i believe PCM 3 (not sure if any gen 2's came with PCM 2) is meant to be miles ahead. I had a normal boxster with PDK as a curtesy car earlier this year (it had a sports exhaust) and it sounded/felt like it was the same speed. It also rode better. I hate to say this but the powerof the turbo is almost a bit wasted on roads as i commute in mine.Suppose my main issue is that my turbo is not exactly a joy to drive in traffic and is a bit grumpy until its warmed up etc. Usual feature of an older car. Does anyone know if there is a lot more refinement with the C2S over the 996 turbo?
The 996 turbo is appreciating in value at the moment, would you kick yourself if they appreciated even further and the C2S dropped more than anticipated? I have a 996 turbo too, and whenever I hear another NA 911, I always think " I wish mine sounded like that". But then those thoughts are banished once I take the turbo out and that big shove in the back kicks in. Mine too is a manual and it can be a bit irritating in traffic but I did try a tiptronic before buying my manual, and whilst it was spot on in terms of power delivery and sense of purpose, I just prefer a manual. So why not try the 996 turbo tiptronic, might just change your mind!
I toiled over what to change my 996tt for years! I set sights on a gen2 997 but drove a load (including a gts). Sadly, they were all far less exciting than the turbo and I didn't think they sounded very good either. Delicacy of steering wasn't much different either. In the end I sold the turbo last month and, bought a manual e90 m3. It was the only car that offered the same level of excitement, and the agility, noise and engine really impressed me. I dreaded feelings of regret but I've had none - I loved to look at and own the Tt, and in slimey conditions it was magnificent. But day to day and at all speeds and conditions the m3 is far more fun and satisfying to drive.
I do miss looking at it on my drive : (
But it doubled in value and never went wrong so I walked with a good innings and fond memories.
Will probs get another 911 - but it will have to be when the revvy 991 is in budget in a few years.
I do miss looking at it on my drive : (
But it doubled in value and never went wrong so I walked with a good innings and fond memories.
Will probs get another 911 - but it will have to be when the revvy 991 is in budget in a few years.
Onetrackmind said:
Hi guys,
I have a 996 turbo manual. It seems that I can change to a 997.2 C2S as they are about the same value. This is tempting as I use the car in a congested city where we get lots of traffic queues. If I went for the PDK box it would be easier to use day to day. It would also be newer and probably more reliable.
Of course, the 997.2 will fall in value but I'm unsure of how much as it's pretty reliable compared to the 997.1. Turbo has already appreciated in value but may go up further.
On paper they are similar in terms of acceleration, prob due to the PDK. Would imagine the in-gear shove of the turbo is better than the C2S.
Has anyone made this move? Any thoughts on this?
I had the exact same train of thought regarding my 996T a couple of months ago. I have a 996 turbo manual. It seems that I can change to a 997.2 C2S as they are about the same value. This is tempting as I use the car in a congested city where we get lots of traffic queues. If I went for the PDK box it would be easier to use day to day. It would also be newer and probably more reliable.
Of course, the 997.2 will fall in value but I'm unsure of how much as it's pretty reliable compared to the 997.1. Turbo has already appreciated in value but may go up further.
On paper they are similar in terms of acceleration, prob due to the PDK. Would imagine the in-gear shove of the turbo is better than the C2S.
Has anyone made this move? Any thoughts on this?
After speaking to Joel at RSJ and re-acquainting myself with my turbo, I changed my mind. Basically he said "Don't do it, you have the best car, probably one of the best cars ever made, going up in value and certainly the best car for £40k on the planet." That was enough for me, bearing in mind he turned down an opportunity to sell me a car in the process.... Joel is a guy I trust, he sourced my turbo for me back in 2012.
Mine is a 'Tip which suits the turbo very well. Once warmed up the changes are good on the buttons, the relentless urge it has suits the box. I did have a chance to run my side by side vs a 997.2 pdk from about 40 mph to 130 ish, when standard not remapped; there was zero difference until above 120 when the turbo started to pass the 7.2
I also miss the sound/feel of an NA car, so bought a Kline exhaust for mine which will be fitted sometime soon. Will report back once fitted!
I went from a 996 C4S to a 997.2 C2S and the refinement of the newer car is miles better. Rides much better over the bumps, the 996 was simply too harsh. You can also cruise along at 70mph in 7th gear at 2000rpm as it has a very long 7th gear.
In terms of noise, I think you'll be slightly disappointed as the NA 997.2 just doesn't sound as good as the NA 996/997.1. I have PSE and a Hayward & Scott centre silencer bypass and still think it's a bit quiet/dull at low revs. Still preferable to a Turbo in that regard though.
Can't comment on the power delivery as I've never owned a Turbo but I've never found the 997.2 S to be lacking in torque. Only way to find out if you really want to make the move is to try one!
In terms of noise, I think you'll be slightly disappointed as the NA 997.2 just doesn't sound as good as the NA 996/997.1. I have PSE and a Hayward & Scott centre silencer bypass and still think it's a bit quiet/dull at low revs. Still preferable to a Turbo in that regard though.
Can't comment on the power delivery as I've never owned a Turbo but I've never found the 997.2 S to be lacking in torque. Only way to find out if you really want to make the move is to try one!
I can say that a 997 Turbo certainly feels MUCH quicker than a 997 N/A, but i still went from the former to the latter out of choice and was happy with my decision.
Agree that the Gen 2 could be louder, but it is a pleasure to wring out whereas the Turbos are dull as ditchwater; effective but emotion-free.
I think modern 911 Turbos are very overrated, but must admit a manual 996 Turbo will probably appreciate whereas the 997.2 Carrera S will depreciate (albeit slowly).
I do think the 997 PDK is pretty rubbish though; uninspiring with no blips on the downchange. It may be quick, but otherwise feels much the same than the slushmatic Tiptronic. Only advantage is you can get paddle shift, but it never feels 'racey'.
I would stretch to a 991 Carrera PDK as an everyday car as they aren't so expensive these days. Much more refined, nicer toys, much better PDK, and sound great with the PSE. And if you can't stretch, a 981 is a fine choice if you don't need the seats.
Agree that the Gen 2 could be louder, but it is a pleasure to wring out whereas the Turbos are dull as ditchwater; effective but emotion-free.
I think modern 911 Turbos are very overrated, but must admit a manual 996 Turbo will probably appreciate whereas the 997.2 Carrera S will depreciate (albeit slowly).
I do think the 997 PDK is pretty rubbish though; uninspiring with no blips on the downchange. It may be quick, but otherwise feels much the same than the slushmatic Tiptronic. Only advantage is you can get paddle shift, but it never feels 'racey'.
I would stretch to a 991 Carrera PDK as an everyday car as they aren't so expensive these days. Much more refined, nicer toys, much better PDK, and sound great with the PSE. And if you can't stretch, a 981 is a fine choice if you don't need the seats.
hondansx said:
I can say that a 997 Turbo certainly feels MUCH quicker than a 997 N/A, but i still went from the former to the latter out of choice and was happy with my decision.
Agree that the Gen 2 could be louder, but it is a pleasure to wring out whereas the Turbos are dull as ditchwater; effective but emotion-free.
I think modern 911 Turbos are very overrated, but must admit a manual 996 Turbo will probably appreciate whereas the 997.2 Carrera S will depreciate (albeit slowly).
I do think the 997 PDK is pretty rubbish though; uninspiring with no blips on the downchange. It may be quick, but otherwise feels much the same than the slushmatic Tiptronic. Only advantage is you can get paddle shift, but it never feels 'racey'.
I would stretch to a 991 Carrera PDK as an everyday car as they aren't so expensive these days. Much more refined, nicer toys, much better PDK, and sound great with the PSE. And if you can't stretch, a 981 is a fine choice if you don't need the seats.
Surely a blip on downshift could be mapped in?Agree that the Gen 2 could be louder, but it is a pleasure to wring out whereas the Turbos are dull as ditchwater; effective but emotion-free.
I think modern 911 Turbos are very overrated, but must admit a manual 996 Turbo will probably appreciate whereas the 997.2 Carrera S will depreciate (albeit slowly).
I do think the 997 PDK is pretty rubbish though; uninspiring with no blips on the downchange. It may be quick, but otherwise feels much the same than the slushmatic Tiptronic. Only advantage is you can get paddle shift, but it never feels 'racey'.
I would stretch to a 991 Carrera PDK as an everyday car as they aren't so expensive these days. Much more refined, nicer toys, much better PDK, and sound great with the PSE. And if you can't stretch, a 981 is a fine choice if you don't need the seats.
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