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[boredpilot]

NEWS says that deaths are on the increase and its because


OF 4x4

Note to do with driving standards then


So there is the excuss the govenment needs to keep cameras, its not the drivers fault its the car. So best keep the cameras anyway

>>> Edited by boredpilot on Monday 21st March 18:48

[bsdnazz]

I think a point that's worth making is that the number of KSI can go up because of the increased percentage of 4x4s and super-minis on the road without driving standards changing.

If this year people drive as well or badly as last year and have the same number of crashes then more people will still be killed because there are more 4x4s and super-minis involved. Statistically more 4x4s and super-minis will be involved in crashes and the super-mini occupants have a hard time...

[spaximus]

I have heard all this today on the news and it was in the papers, research from some goverment department, has come to the conclusion that if you have an accident in a big car the people in a smaller car will die before you. The logic therefore is if you want your family safe buy the biggest car/4x4 you can and make sure when you run into something it is smaller than you.
But extending their theories if all trucks and buses were banned due to the size of them how many lives would this save? can you spot the flaw in their logic here?

[james_j]

It's because of any car which is safer for the occupants.

A recent five-star NCAP-rated car will protect its occupants to the detriment of a lower-rated car in a head-on collision.

So, just blame all people who choose a car (any car) in which they're more likely to survive a collision with another car.

[bsdnazz]

I think that one flaw in the EuroNCAP tests is the the car under test is driven into a standard test barrier. The only forces the car is having to deal with are those due to its own weight and speed - momentum.

When a large car hits a small car the small car has the unenvyable (sp?) task of stopping the large car. The forces on the small car can be much greater than they were in the EuroNCAP test.

So the small cars can score 5 for hitting a standard test barrier and still leave the occupants in danger when hit by a 4x4.

[parrot of doom]

But aren't European off-roaders designed to impact safely with regular cars?

They all have relatively low bumpers don't they?

And surely it should be more about the weight of the vehicle that impacts with a car of lesser weight? Therefore a Rolls Royce would knock ten bells out of a Kia Sorento?

[kenp]

Just to put it in to context. In today's Times is an article about those battery powered carts for the old/infirm/disabled. Apparently they kill 8 people a year. Speed kills, even slow speed!!

[Mr Whippy]

Just make *drivers* better, wahey, ALL the problems solved... wow, I'm so brainy

Dave

[bsdnazz]

parrot of doom said:

But aren't European off-roaders designed to impact safely with regular cars? They all have relatively low bumpers don't they? And surely it should be more about the weight of the vehicle that impacts with a car of lesser weight? Therefore a Rolls Royce would knock ten bells out of a Kia Sorento?

A roller would indeed knock ten bells out of a Kia Sorento. The problem is people are buying more larger (ie 4x4) and more smaller cars (eg Kia Sorentos) but fewer midsize cars. As a results an increasing proportion of crashes are now between a large vehicle and a small one. Thus more nasty injuries to the occupants of the small vehicles. Thus more KSI without any change in the number of accidents.

[GKP]

I love my Range Rover. Never killed anyone with it though. Not planning to, either.













.....althought there are a number of politicians that would probably benefit from being dragged by my towbar whilst I'm taking a shortcut through a particularly overgrown greenlane.