Parking fine-not ours
Discussion
I rent a house out, which I lived in myself until last year, since 2008.
Recently the tenants received a letter which was a parking fine for a "Miss XXXX".
This person does not & has not lived at the address in the past 9 years, and also is not the person I purchased the house from, but they appear to have a car registered to my house.
After my partner ringing the parking fine company to inform them, they advised we call the DVLA, which she did (I am currently working abroad). Their response was - "can you please write a detailed letter explaining all of this, including your name & current address etc".
Anybody else had anything similar? Why should I/my partner bother our arses to write to them? What could happen if we don't? Ok someone has registered a car to our address, but we can prove they don't/haven't lived there (for many years at least).
Recently the tenants received a letter which was a parking fine for a "Miss XXXX".
This person does not & has not lived at the address in the past 9 years, and also is not the person I purchased the house from, but they appear to have a car registered to my house.
After my partner ringing the parking fine company to inform them, they advised we call the DVLA, which she did (I am currently working abroad). Their response was - "can you please write a detailed letter explaining all of this, including your name & current address etc".
Anybody else had anything similar? Why should I/my partner bother our arses to write to them? What could happen if we don't? Ok someone has registered a car to our address, but we can prove they don't/haven't lived there (for many years at least).
I get this at my current address, always getting debt collection letters in the previous tenants name, parking fines, you name it.
Simple.
I put them in the bin and ignore them.
We have had bailiffs round to which I showed them my ID and explained. Very Very nice chaps they were - had a laugh and a joke with them and gave them a cup of tea whilst they rang the office and excluded the address from what ever database it is they use
She really needs to change her address on Just Eat too... I think she must have an automated thing setup on it as we have had numerous takeaways delivered in her name!!
Simple.
I put them in the bin and ignore them.
We have had bailiffs round to which I showed them my ID and explained. Very Very nice chaps they were - had a laugh and a joke with them and gave them a cup of tea whilst they rang the office and excluded the address from what ever database it is they use
She really needs to change her address on Just Eat too... I think she must have an automated thing setup on it as we have had numerous takeaways delivered in her name!!
We get the same. Posted on here about it too...
Previous tenant registered car to this address and then moved out but didn't re-registaer the car to his new address.
We get all his letters to do with his car and his tax return. Mostly it's parking tickets from all over Surrey and Central London and then all the letters that come after due to non-payment. We do not have a forwarding address for him so they simply don't get answered. They get escalated from the councils to debt collectors and eventually bailiffs started coming round. At one point we were getting 4 letters a day looking for him. They were all Returned to Sender. I tried to phone a few of the companies up to explain but they understandably want proof of my ID, proof of my lease or AST and then they said they'd stop the claims. I'm not willing to send my proof of ID to them.
Eventually we had hand delivered letters through the door by bailiffs threatening to take goods. I caught one in the act dropping off one such letter, had a good chat with him and he said he'd let his employer know and he wouldn't be back. There's been more hand delivered letters but no forced entry yet. I always phone the number on the letter to explain and usually the guy is responsive, apologises and says he'll refer it back.
I returned home from work one day a few months back to see my wife blocking the door whilst in a 'heated discussion' with a man unknown to me shall we say. He was swiftly asked to leave by myself and when he didn't comply he was restrained and escorted off my property. I told him he had been told the man he was looking for doesn't live here, he'd been given ample warning to leave and that he now had no right to be here. Still aiming to get past me and in the front door a firm shove in the direction of his car and a threat to call the Police sent him on his way. He didn't come back.
Wifey has been told not to answer the door if she doesn't recognise the person and to phone me if I'm not home. It's all been quiet for the past couple weeks. Only 1 letter for the previous guy that was returned to sender.
DVLA didn't want to know and as I wasn't the registered keeper of the car I couldn't swap the address.
Looks like there's nothing us innocent people can do except for returning the letters and hoping they don't force entry.
Previous tenant registered car to this address and then moved out but didn't re-registaer the car to his new address.
We get all his letters to do with his car and his tax return. Mostly it's parking tickets from all over Surrey and Central London and then all the letters that come after due to non-payment. We do not have a forwarding address for him so they simply don't get answered. They get escalated from the councils to debt collectors and eventually bailiffs started coming round. At one point we were getting 4 letters a day looking for him. They were all Returned to Sender. I tried to phone a few of the companies up to explain but they understandably want proof of my ID, proof of my lease or AST and then they said they'd stop the claims. I'm not willing to send my proof of ID to them.
Eventually we had hand delivered letters through the door by bailiffs threatening to take goods. I caught one in the act dropping off one such letter, had a good chat with him and he said he'd let his employer know and he wouldn't be back. There's been more hand delivered letters but no forced entry yet. I always phone the number on the letter to explain and usually the guy is responsive, apologises and says he'll refer it back.
I returned home from work one day a few months back to see my wife blocking the door whilst in a 'heated discussion' with a man unknown to me shall we say. He was swiftly asked to leave by myself and when he didn't comply he was restrained and escorted off my property. I told him he had been told the man he was looking for doesn't live here, he'd been given ample warning to leave and that he now had no right to be here. Still aiming to get past me and in the front door a firm shove in the direction of his car and a threat to call the Police sent him on his way. He didn't come back.
Wifey has been told not to answer the door if she doesn't recognise the person and to phone me if I'm not home. It's all been quiet for the past couple weeks. Only 1 letter for the previous guy that was returned to sender.
DVLA didn't want to know and as I wasn't the registered keeper of the car I couldn't swap the address.
Looks like there's nothing us innocent people can do except for returning the letters and hoping they don't force entry.
ashleyman said:
We get the same. Posted on here about it too...
Previous tenant registered car to this address and then moved out but didn't re-registaer the car to his new address.
We get all his letters to do with his car and his tax return. Mostly it's parking tickets from all over Surrey and Central London and then all the letters that come after due to non-payment. We do not have a forwarding address for him so they simply don't get answered. They get escalated from the councils to debt collectors and eventually bailiffs started coming round. At one point we were getting 4 letters a day looking for him. They were all Returned to Sender. I tried to phone a few of the companies up to explain but they understandably want proof of my ID, proof of my lease or AST and then they said they'd stop the claims. I'm not willing to send my proof of ID to them.
Eventually we had hand delivered letters through the door by bailiffs threatening to take goods. I caught one in the act dropping off one such letter, had a good chat with him and he said he'd let his employer know and he wouldn't be back. There's been more hand delivered letters but no forced entry yet. I always phone the number on the letter to explain and usually the guy is responsive, apologises and says he'll refer it back.
I returned home from work one day a few months back to see my wife blocking the door whilst in a 'heated discussion' with a man unknown to me shall we say. He was swiftly asked to leave by myself and when he didn't comply he was restrained and escorted off my property. I told him he had been told the man he was looking for doesn't live here, he'd been given ample warning to leave and that he now had no right to be here. Still aiming to get past me and in the front door a firm shove in the direction of his car and a threat to call the Police sent him on his way. He didn't come back.
Wifey has been told not to answer the door if she doesn't recognise the person and to phone me if I'm not home. It's all been quiet for the past couple weeks. Only 1 letter for the previous guy that was returned to sender.
DVLA didn't want to know and as I wasn't the registered keeper of the car I couldn't swap the address.
Looks like there's nothing us innocent people can do except for returning the letters and hoping they don't force entry.
I dont think they can force entry unless they have good grounds to do so, they can enter into an open - unobstructed door or window by law. Previous tenant registered car to this address and then moved out but didn't re-registaer the car to his new address.
We get all his letters to do with his car and his tax return. Mostly it's parking tickets from all over Surrey and Central London and then all the letters that come after due to non-payment. We do not have a forwarding address for him so they simply don't get answered. They get escalated from the councils to debt collectors and eventually bailiffs started coming round. At one point we were getting 4 letters a day looking for him. They were all Returned to Sender. I tried to phone a few of the companies up to explain but they understandably want proof of my ID, proof of my lease or AST and then they said they'd stop the claims. I'm not willing to send my proof of ID to them.
Eventually we had hand delivered letters through the door by bailiffs threatening to take goods. I caught one in the act dropping off one such letter, had a good chat with him and he said he'd let his employer know and he wouldn't be back. There's been more hand delivered letters but no forced entry yet. I always phone the number on the letter to explain and usually the guy is responsive, apologises and says he'll refer it back.
I returned home from work one day a few months back to see my wife blocking the door whilst in a 'heated discussion' with a man unknown to me shall we say. He was swiftly asked to leave by myself and when he didn't comply he was restrained and escorted off my property. I told him he had been told the man he was looking for doesn't live here, he'd been given ample warning to leave and that he now had no right to be here. Still aiming to get past me and in the front door a firm shove in the direction of his car and a threat to call the Police sent him on his way. He didn't come back.
Wifey has been told not to answer the door if she doesn't recognise the person and to phone me if I'm not home. It's all been quiet for the past couple weeks. Only 1 letter for the previous guy that was returned to sender.
DVLA didn't want to know and as I wasn't the registered keeper of the car I couldn't swap the address.
Looks like there's nothing us innocent people can do except for returning the letters and hoping they don't force entry.
cpjitservices said:
ashleyman said:
We get the same. Posted on here about it too...
Previous tenant registered car to this address and then moved out but didn't re-registaer the car to his new address.
We get all his letters to do with his car and his tax return. Mostly it's parking tickets from all over Surrey and Central London and then all the letters that come after due to non-payment. We do not have a forwarding address for him so they simply don't get answered. They get escalated from the councils to debt collectors and eventually bailiffs started coming round. At one point we were getting 4 letters a day looking for him. They were all Returned to Sender. I tried to phone a few of the companies up to explain but they understandably want proof of my ID, proof of my lease or AST and then they said they'd stop the claims. I'm not willing to send my proof of ID to them.
Eventually we had hand delivered letters through the door by bailiffs threatening to take goods. I caught one in the act dropping off one such letter, had a good chat with him and he said he'd let his employer know and he wouldn't be back. There's been more hand delivered letters but no forced entry yet. I always phone the number on the letter to explain and usually the guy is responsive, apologises and says he'll refer it back.
I returned home from work one day a few months back to see my wife blocking the door whilst in a 'heated discussion' with a man unknown to me shall we say. He was swiftly asked to leave by myself and when he didn't comply he was restrained and escorted off my property. I told him he had been told the man he was looking for doesn't live here, he'd been given ample warning to leave and that he now had no right to be here. Still aiming to get past me and in the front door a firm shove in the direction of his car and a threat to call the Police sent him on his way. He didn't come back.
Wifey has been told not to answer the door if she doesn't recognise the person and to phone me if I'm not home. It's all been quiet for the past couple weeks. Only 1 letter for the previous guy that was returned to sender.
DVLA didn't want to know and as I wasn't the registered keeper of the car I couldn't swap the address.
Looks like there's nothing us innocent people can do except for returning the letters and hoping they don't force entry.
I dont think they can force entry unless they have good grounds to do so, they can enter into an open - unobstructed door or window by law. Previous tenant registered car to this address and then moved out but didn't re-registaer the car to his new address.
We get all his letters to do with his car and his tax return. Mostly it's parking tickets from all over Surrey and Central London and then all the letters that come after due to non-payment. We do not have a forwarding address for him so they simply don't get answered. They get escalated from the councils to debt collectors and eventually bailiffs started coming round. At one point we were getting 4 letters a day looking for him. They were all Returned to Sender. I tried to phone a few of the companies up to explain but they understandably want proof of my ID, proof of my lease or AST and then they said they'd stop the claims. I'm not willing to send my proof of ID to them.
Eventually we had hand delivered letters through the door by bailiffs threatening to take goods. I caught one in the act dropping off one such letter, had a good chat with him and he said he'd let his employer know and he wouldn't be back. There's been more hand delivered letters but no forced entry yet. I always phone the number on the letter to explain and usually the guy is responsive, apologises and says he'll refer it back.
I returned home from work one day a few months back to see my wife blocking the door whilst in a 'heated discussion' with a man unknown to me shall we say. He was swiftly asked to leave by myself and when he didn't comply he was restrained and escorted off my property. I told him he had been told the man he was looking for doesn't live here, he'd been given ample warning to leave and that he now had no right to be here. Still aiming to get past me and in the front door a firm shove in the direction of his car and a threat to call the Police sent him on his way. He didn't come back.
Wifey has been told not to answer the door if she doesn't recognise the person and to phone me if I'm not home. It's all been quiet for the past couple weeks. Only 1 letter for the previous guy that was returned to sender.
DVLA didn't want to know and as I wasn't the registered keeper of the car I couldn't swap the address.
Looks like there's nothing us innocent people can do except for returning the letters and hoping they don't force entry.
I've read up on the law surrounding collections agents and I think it's only the guys that have been granted permission by the high court that are allowed to force entry. He failed to show any paperwork saying as much. She'd shown him ID and when I got home I was pissed.
ashleyman said:
Unfortunately she'd opened the door and he wouldn't let her close it even though she'd identified herself as not the person he was looking for. Hence my heavy handed approach towards him. Usually I'm soft as a feather but when a strange man is attempting to gain unlawful entry to my home and disrespecting my wife the gloves were off.
I've read up on the law surrounding collections agents and I think it's only the guys that have been granted permission by the high court that are allowed to force entry. He failed to show any paperwork saying as much. She'd shown him ID and when I got home I was pissed.
Sounds like a complaint to his company would be in order. I've read up on the law surrounding collections agents and I think it's only the guys that have been granted permission by the high court that are allowed to force entry. He failed to show any paperwork saying as much. She'd shown him ID and when I got home I was pissed.
cpjitservices said:
I dont think they can force entry unless they have good grounds to do so, they can enter into an open - unobstructed door or window by law.
They don't worry too much about that.Call the Police and they'll say it's a civil matter. If unlucky you'll get arrested for breach of the peace.
Mind you, when a car was somehow registered to our address in error we had the Police themselves banging on the door in the middle of the night. Marvellous.
Reference the DVLA, they would require a letter so there is something to put in the file. It's not hard, all you need to put is something like; " I am receiving official communication with reference to a Miss xxxx and a vehicle ABC123, Miss xxxx does not live at this address, and as far as I know, hasn't done in the previous 9 years. No one at this address owns or has owned the vehicle ABC123 or has any knowledge of it. Please investigate as I believe this incorrect information is gathered from yourselves by this company."
Keep a copy for yourself.
Keep a copy for yourself.
I have this all the time with previous tenants in my 2 flats. Not parking fines but often utilities, mobiles, credit cars etc etc
I just open the letters, ring the debt people and they put it on file as if it's standard practise. Never been asked for any personal details or proof of where they've gone.
I just open the letters, ring the debt people and they put it on file as if it's standard practise. Never been asked for any personal details or proof of where they've gone.
andye30m3 said:
I have this all the time with previous tenants in my 2 flats. Not parking fines but often utilities, mobiles, credit cars etc etc
I just open the letters, ring the debt people and they put it on file as if it's standard practise. Never been asked for any personal details or proof of where they've gone.
Same here, we bought 2 years ago. After a year we started opening the letters and contacting the companies. They always ask for my details, which I refuse to give, but I ask for their name, write it on the relevant bill with the date of the call and stick it in a box.I just open the letters, ring the debt people and they put it on file as if it's standard practise. Never been asked for any personal details or proof of where they've gone.
Only had one instance of a letter coming through again.
cpjitservices said:
I get this at my current address, always getting debt collection letters in the previous tenants name, parking fines, you name it.
Simple.
I put them in the bin and ignore them.
Likewise with a property I used to rent then moved back into for a period of time. When the debt collectors came I didn't even bother engaging with them just shut the door in their faces and ignored due to their aggressive attitude.Simple.
I put them in the bin and ignore them.
mrpbailey said:
After my partner ringing the parking fine company to inform them, they advised we call the DVLA, which she did (I am currently working abroad). Their response was - "can you please write a detailed letter explaining all of this, including your name & current address etc".
That implies it's not a fine but a speculative invoice from a PPC. It's only the first salvo after the NtK has produced no response.mrpbailey said:
Anybody else had anything similar? Why should I/my partner bother our arses to write to them? What could happen if we don't? Ok someone has registered a car to our address, but we can prove they don't/haven't lived there (for many years at least).
You should bother because if the PPC doesn't cancel the PCN your tenant will get a further blizzard of paperwork from a collection agency and/or solicitors. If a County Court claim is issued it will not be defended so a slam dunk win for the PPC. Your tenants could be subsequently doorstepped by a debt collector or, worse still, a bailff seeking to enforce a court Order/Writ of Control. Not conducive to a good landlord/tenant relationship given that they are entitled to quiet enjoyment.
However unless you self manage there is no need for you to get involved. Get your managing agent to write to the PPC and the DVLA (with a copies to you). All they need to do is confirm that they act for the landlord and that Miss X is neither the current tenant nor to the best of their knowledge has she ever been resident there during the last 6 years* (as confirmed by the landlord) They do not have to provide your name or current address nor should they (DPA breach if they do).
* Statute of Limiitations applies.
Be aware that the DVLA may well not change its RK record though without a new address. I don't know whether it can set a flag. Even if it can, whether this would prevent the data subsequently being given out to a PPC/LA/Police/SCP without any corresponding caveat is something else. Unlike utility companies etc. Swansea plays by completely different rules. It's own.
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