London and Diesel
Discussion
Reading to day certain areas of London Diesel Drivers will have to pay 50% more than Petrol to park Euro 6 Euro 116(sic) it will not matter ,other Citys poised. This is not good really would be concerned about buying another Derv and i do a shedload of miles...what to do .. Gizlaroc help me !!!
This is not paper talk its being trialed.
This is not paper talk its being trialed.
I am 2 months into a 2y lease on a 335d
I'd have bought it outright as I usually keep my cars for 5-8y however thought there was an impending diesel backlash so hedged my bets
And Im now glad I did
Its a superb car - I may be looking pick up one really, really cheaply when my lease runs out
It's an interesting development - We have CO2 targets at work for our company car fleet - which has traditionally driven people to diesels. I'm 6 months into a 4 year lease on a 520d and my territory includes everything within the M25 south of the Thames. Mostly, I can park on customer sites - but I do wonder where this attack on diesels will go, as we currently can't order any petrol hybrids.
smashy said:
I just dont get your points Realist..
......Believe ot or not I realise that...amazing a? This could be the start ...
You know, it doesn't surprise me that you fail to see the point but if you already know the answer why come on here asking the puerile questions?......Believe ot or not I realise that...amazing a?
This could be the start ... Never mind, I'll leave you to it. More to be pitied than scorned, I guess.
I got criticised yesterday morning for yet another thread on this subject:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
smashy said:
Bad company hi..thats funny in away.I was going to post mine in general gassing as well but its so full of inadequates i decided to post here...still got cought out.I just want to talk cars not be insulted by pig ignorant sociopaths
Agree 100%. PH seems to attract more than it's share of boneheads these days.I made the decision to specify a petrol engine in my new G30 540 partly because the tide is turning against diesel.
Yup, the tide is indeed turning. I think these "future of motoring" diesels ( i think the tide turned about 2003-2006?) will get put through the ministry of information and always will have been the scourge of modern living.
I think there may be incentives from national government as well as local authorities in cities, maybe increasing the 3% BIK surcharge on company diesels, If not the NOx tech will need to catch up quickly, and I think that even a Brexitted government will follow whatever EU7 and 8 hold in store for us, to ensure we can contiinue to use our cars in europe.
What this all means to me as a private user for business is that I will most likely be encouraged in to a petrol car, ( and it may ven be a larger engined one, as over 2 litres and petrol gets me nearly double the pence per mile.
I think there may be incentives from national government as well as local authorities in cities, maybe increasing the 3% BIK surcharge on company diesels, If not the NOx tech will need to catch up quickly, and I think that even a Brexitted government will follow whatever EU7 and 8 hold in store for us, to ensure we can contiinue to use our cars in europe.
What this all means to me as a private user for business is that I will most likely be encouraged in to a petrol car, ( and it may ven be a larger engined one, as over 2 litres and petrol gets me nearly double the pence per mile.
bad company said:
Agree 100%. PH seems to attract more than it's share of boneheads these days.
I made the decision to specify a petrol engine in my new G30 540 partly because the tide is turning against diesel.
So all you can get is an Xdrive? Bit of a blow IMHO http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/5-series/f...I made the decision to specify a petrol engine in my new G30 540 partly because the tide is turning against diesel.
smashy said:
So all you can get is an Xdrive? Bit of a blow IMHO http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/5-series/f...
Big benefit in IMHO but then I drive a 335d Xdrive now and love it.I think we are going to see a move away from diesel, I said a couple of years ago, numerous times, that I genuinely believe that you will not be able to buy a diesel car for domestic use within 15 years.
But by then I don't think anyone will want them anyway, we will be getting such good economy from turbo petrols there simply won't be the demand for diesels imho.
Just having the 2.0tdi and 1.4Tfsi to test, there is not one reason I could see that anyone would chose the diesel other than ignorance, and I mean that as in they simply didn't consider the petrol as they are so used to going diesel.
The petrol is the cheaper car to run whether you do 10k miles a year or 30k miles a year and so much nicer to drive too.
These parking charges are only street parking i presume? Or have they got the power to start making car parks charge more too? That would be a worry. My parking bill last week was £148, if I had a diesel and was being charged 50% more I would be pig sick. Actually, it was £124, I forgot I parked in Shoreditch on Thursday which was only £13 for the 3 hours I was there. But still, it could start getting very expensive. You can understand why people are getting concerned.
I think many people see this and thing "So what, it is only a couple of quid to park." Not realising just how expensive parking is in London. 50% extra can be a lot of money. It can wipe out the small savings you get at the pump by quite some margin.
But if you like diesels then what choice have you got?
Edit: I used the 2.0tdi vs 1.4Tfsi as they are cars where the petrol is better in every respect, I am not saying all manufacturers can offer that before anyone starts on why they bought a diesel.
But by then I don't think anyone will want them anyway, we will be getting such good economy from turbo petrols there simply won't be the demand for diesels imho.
Just having the 2.0tdi and 1.4Tfsi to test, there is not one reason I could see that anyone would chose the diesel other than ignorance, and I mean that as in they simply didn't consider the petrol as they are so used to going diesel.
The petrol is the cheaper car to run whether you do 10k miles a year or 30k miles a year and so much nicer to drive too.
These parking charges are only street parking i presume? Or have they got the power to start making car parks charge more too? That would be a worry. My parking bill last week was £148, if I had a diesel and was being charged 50% more I would be pig sick. Actually, it was £124, I forgot I parked in Shoreditch on Thursday which was only £13 for the 3 hours I was there. But still, it could start getting very expensive. You can understand why people are getting concerned.
I think many people see this and thing "So what, it is only a couple of quid to park." Not realising just how expensive parking is in London. 50% extra can be a lot of money. It can wipe out the small savings you get at the pump by quite some margin.
But if you like diesels then what choice have you got?
Edit: I used the 2.0tdi vs 1.4Tfsi as they are cars where the petrol is better in every respect, I am not saying all manufacturers can offer that before anyone starts on why they bought a diesel.
Edited by gizlaroc on Monday 30th January 01:14
This is surely kneejerking at its finest. If diesels driving around are so bad why would you want to discourage the owners from parking them up?
This is a golden opportunity to be seen to be doing something 'good' whilst increasing revenue from parking.
The whole diesel backlash is so annoying - we've had diesels coughing out crap for 20 years now whilst the entire time the government of the day pushed more and more people into them and transformed the car market through a combination of high fuel duty and CO2 based taxation. Now we finally get to the point where the modern diesel engine is massively more clean than it ever was and *now* everyone decides to go bonkers?
Talk about slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted. Restrictions like this should be like the London ULEZ zone and apply to vehicles deemed to have excessive pollution levels - pre Euro 6 diesels and pre Euro 4 petrol engines. Penalising people who have purchased modern 'clean' cars on the basis of the prevailing levels of motoring taxation, set by government, is just wrong.
Nobody in this country would be driving diesel passenger cars if we didn't pay £1.20 a litre for fuel.
I don't want to be in a car market where 96% of the models that interest me are diesel. I don't want to be in a car market where I must pay £80 for a tank of fuel that will take me 400 miles. However that is where we are, through decades of policy, and that is why there are so many diesels and why even those of us who are not particular fans of diesel cars drive diesel cars!
This is a golden opportunity to be seen to be doing something 'good' whilst increasing revenue from parking.
The whole diesel backlash is so annoying - we've had diesels coughing out crap for 20 years now whilst the entire time the government of the day pushed more and more people into them and transformed the car market through a combination of high fuel duty and CO2 based taxation. Now we finally get to the point where the modern diesel engine is massively more clean than it ever was and *now* everyone decides to go bonkers?
Talk about slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted. Restrictions like this should be like the London ULEZ zone and apply to vehicles deemed to have excessive pollution levels - pre Euro 6 diesels and pre Euro 4 petrol engines. Penalising people who have purchased modern 'clean' cars on the basis of the prevailing levels of motoring taxation, set by government, is just wrong.
Nobody in this country would be driving diesel passenger cars if we didn't pay £1.20 a litre for fuel.
I don't want to be in a car market where 96% of the models that interest me are diesel. I don't want to be in a car market where I must pay £80 for a tank of fuel that will take me 400 miles. However that is where we are, through decades of policy, and that is why there are so many diesels and why even those of us who are not particular fans of diesel cars drive diesel cars!
Fox- said:
This is surely kneejerking at its finest. If diesels driving around are so bad why would you want to discourage the owners from parking them up?
This is a golden opportunity to be seen to be doing something 'good' whilst increasing revenue from parking.
The whole diesel backlash is so annoying - we've had diesels coughing out crap for 20 years now whilst the entire time the government of the day pushed more and more people into them and transformed the car market through a combination of high fuel duty and CO2 based taxation. Now we finally get to the point where the modern diesel engine is massively more clean than it ever was and *now* everyone decides to go bonkers?
Talk about slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted. Restrictions like this should be like the London ULEZ zone and apply to vehicles deemed to have excessive pollution levels - pre Euro 6 diesels and pre Euro 4 petrol engines. Penalising people who have purchased modern 'clean' cars on the basis of the prevailing levels of motoring taxation, set by government, is just wrong.
Nobody in this country would be driving diesel passenger cars if we didn't pay £1.20 a litre for fuel.
I don't want to be in a car market where 96% of the models that interest me are diesel. I don't want to be in a car market where I must pay £80 for a tank of fuel that will take me 400 miles. However that is where we are, through decades of policy, and that is why there are so many diesels and why even those of us who are not particular fans of diesel cars drive diesel cars!
Knee jerking indeed but this could be just the start of a backlash against diesel. The galling thing is that most new diesel cars are very clean. As I said I specced my new 5 series with a petrol engine as this does not feel like the right time to be ordering a new diesel.This is a golden opportunity to be seen to be doing something 'good' whilst increasing revenue from parking.
The whole diesel backlash is so annoying - we've had diesels coughing out crap for 20 years now whilst the entire time the government of the day pushed more and more people into them and transformed the car market through a combination of high fuel duty and CO2 based taxation. Now we finally get to the point where the modern diesel engine is massively more clean than it ever was and *now* everyone decides to go bonkers?
Talk about slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted. Restrictions like this should be like the London ULEZ zone and apply to vehicles deemed to have excessive pollution levels - pre Euro 6 diesels and pre Euro 4 petrol engines. Penalising people who have purchased modern 'clean' cars on the basis of the prevailing levels of motoring taxation, set by government, is just wrong.
Nobody in this country would be driving diesel passenger cars if we didn't pay £1.20 a litre for fuel.
I don't want to be in a car market where 96% of the models that interest me are diesel. I don't want to be in a car market where I must pay £80 for a tank of fuel that will take me 400 miles. However that is where we are, through decades of policy, and that is why there are so many diesels and why even those of us who are not particular fans of diesel cars drive diesel cars!
bad company said:
Knee jerking indeed but this could be just the start of a backlash against diesel. The galling thing is that most new diesel cars are very clean. As I said I specced my new 5 series with a petrol engine as this does not feel like the right time to be ordering a new diesel.
It sounds like you'll be amongst the 5% ordering a petrol G30. BMW have said that they still expect 95% of UK G30 sales to be diesel, so they clearly view the anti-diesel thing as a short term blip. I guess we'll have to wait a couple of years to see if they're right.I think if I lived in London or drove there frequently, I might go for petrol.
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