Death and disposal
Discussion
( this topic is not for the sensitive types )
A friend has confided in me (
idiot ) that when they leave this mortal plane, they dont want to be buried, or have a ceremony or anything.
We spoke for a short while, but having never directly dealt with death and the logistics that follow it, we ended up going in circles, googling a bit and then getting completely sidetracked having forgotten the original reason we were searching for stuff..
So I pose a question to you guys..
What is the absolute cheapest way to dispose of a loved one after the Dr's have given you the death cert.
Can you abandon their body in the hospital and just never collect it?
donate the body to science\circus?
bung the cleaner a few quid and have them shoved into the hospitals incinerator?
Ive seen a mail order cremation service that would collect the body from the hospital and then return the ashes to you.. but that would still cost about £1000.
Are there any other options ?
A friend has confided in me (
idiot ) that when they leave this mortal plane, they dont want to be buried, or have a ceremony or anything.We spoke for a short while, but having never directly dealt with death and the logistics that follow it, we ended up going in circles, googling a bit and then getting completely sidetracked having forgotten the original reason we were searching for stuff..
So I pose a question to you guys..
What is the absolute cheapest way to dispose of a loved one after the Dr's have given you the death cert.
Can you abandon their body in the hospital and just never collect it?
donate the body to science\circus?
bung the cleaner a few quid and have them shoved into the hospitals incinerator?
Ive seen a mail order cremation service that would collect the body from the hospital and then return the ashes to you.. but that would still cost about £1000.
Are there any other options ?
kowalski655 said:
I. Would have thought leaving your body to science would be cheapest..presumably "science" would pay to dispose of what's left.
Assuming science would want it
If rejected ( due to excess tin foil for example ) could the family just shrug and walk away, or could the hospital force the family to take it, or even instruct a burial service to do its thing and the pass the bill to the family?Assuming science would want it
SystemParanoia said:
kowalski655 said:
I. Would have thought leaving your body to science would be cheapest..presumably "science" would pay to dispose of what's left.
Assuming science would want it
If rejected ( due to excess tin foil for example ) could the family just shrug and walk away, or could the hospital force the family to take it, or even instruct a burial service to do its thing and the pass the bill to the family?Assuming science would want it
garyhun said:
Paranoid, you have your answer. Don't milk it or try to make it more complicated than it is.
im not trying to milk it at all.Ive just looked at the HTA site in the FAQ's
https://www.hta.gov.uk/faqs/body-donation-faqs
"If no medical school is able to accept your offer, your estate will need to make suitable funeral arrangements."
they will also reject if you have a postmortem examination or donate organs.
As my friend is too lazy to "Opt out" of organ donation this could potentially leave an expensive liability for the living to pay for.
going against what he has requested post-death
Can't remember the exact details but if left to science I think they take the bits they want and anything left is returned to the family for funeral purposes (which I think could be up 2, 3 years after death?) Not sure what 'science' do with it if you don't collect after they have finished with it though??
One thing which I do remember is you don't have to use a funeral director and you can take the body yourself direct from the morgue to the crematorium without any service and you just pay a crem fee only. You don't need a coffin either but you do need a shroud to prevent members of the public being able to see the dead body. You will also need to inform the local council your are transporting a dead body (in case you are involved in a accident during the transportation)
HTH
One thing which I do remember is you don't have to use a funeral director and you can take the body yourself direct from the morgue to the crematorium without any service and you just pay a crem fee only. You don't need a coffin either but you do need a shroud to prevent members of the public being able to see the dead body. You will also need to inform the local council your are transporting a dead body (in case you are involved in a accident during the transportation)
HTH
garyhun said:
Leave adequate money in the estate. It's not that difficulty
Yeah... some people seem to enjoy surviving with only enough money to get them to tomorrow. I personally couldn't think of a worse way to live 
stevensdrs said:
Google Home Burial. All you need is a bit of land and a spade.
Home Burial would be good if he somehow manages to purchase some land during his lifetime.. a forest maybe, they're cheap enough ( cost of a car )Mr-B said:
Can't remember the exact details but if left to science I think they take the bits they want and anything left is returned to the family for funeral purposes (which I think could be up 2, 3 years after death?) Not sure what 'science' do with it if you don't collect after they have finished with it though??
One thing which I do remember is you don't have to use a funeral director and you can take the body yourself direct from the morgue to the crematorium without any service and you just pay a crem fee only. You don't need a coffin either but you do need a shroud to prevent members of the public being able to see the dead body. You will also need to inform the local council your are transporting a dead body (in case you are involved in a accident during the transportation)
HTH
I had no idea you can just bung a body into the boot of your car from the hospital! would they supply the shroud or a body bag?One thing which I do remember is you don't have to use a funeral director and you can take the body yourself direct from the morgue to the crematorium without any service and you just pay a crem fee only. You don't need a coffin either but you do need a shroud to prevent members of the public being able to see the dead body. You will also need to inform the local council your are transporting a dead body (in case you are involved in a accident during the transportation)
HTH
SystemParanoia said:
garyhun said:
Leave adequate money in the estate. It's not that difficulty
Yeah... some people seem to enjoy surviving with only enough money to get them to tomorrow. I personally couldn't think of a worse way to live Home Burial would be good if he somehow manages to purchase some land during his lifetime.. a forest maybe, they're cheap enough ( cost of a car )
I had no idea you can just bung a body into the boot of your car from the hospital! would they supply the shroud or a body bag?
SystemParanoia said:
I had no idea you can just bung a body into the boot of your car from the hospital! would they supply the shroud or a body bag?
Old pair of curtains, duvet cover, anything I guess that will cover a whole dead body - no personal experience of that! I guess you could ask for a body bag, for a fee I presume.garyhun said:
I guess it's not just you that's bonkers!
keeps life interesting i can tell you!Ive just found this
http://www.derbyhospitals.nhs.uk/EasysiteWeb/getre...
section 5.2.15
It states that the cadaver should be wrapped in a sheet and placed into a body bag at the hospital.
So i take it that they wouldn't need to be provided separately, and the body could possibly be buried/cremated with no further purchases needed?
SystemParanoia said:
keeps life interesting i can tell you!
Ive just found this
http://www.derbyhospitals.nhs.uk/EasysiteWeb/getre...
section 5.2.15
It states that the cadaver should be wrapped in a sheet and placed into a body bag at the hospital.
So i take it that they wouldn't need to be provided separately, and the body could possibly be buried/cremated with no further purchases needed?
Yes straight from hospital to crem, no service (so no ministers fees) I think you can also have a something like a shared cremation (not sure of the actual term) but basically you don't have set time for the cremation the body is just put in a queue and cremated when there is a bit of a gap during the day.Ive just found this
http://www.derbyhospitals.nhs.uk/EasysiteWeb/getre...
section 5.2.15
It states that the cadaver should be wrapped in a sheet and placed into a body bag at the hospital.
So i take it that they wouldn't need to be provided separately, and the body could possibly be buried/cremated with no further purchases needed?
Mr-B said:
Yes straight from hospital to crem, no service (so no ministers fees) I think you can also have a something like a shared cremation (not sure of the actual term) but basically you don't have set time for the cremation the body is just put in a queue and cremated when there is a bit of a gap during the day.
http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/2...Wow!! £656 for cremation only!! with you bringing the body to them.
Looked into it, and its called "Direct Disposal" , several internet firms offering their service for slightly less money, but their surcharges are confusing, so could be less.. could be double who knows, and an apparently completely unregulated industry in a growth market. they charge an extra £50 to get the ashes back too.
lets call that plan B! there is no way my friend will have that kind of money in his 'estate' ( if he did it would be pissed up the wall on fags,booze and narcotics )
Having seen this article on Paupers Burials it gave me some hope.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34943805
http://www.co-operativefuneralcare.co.uk/arranging...
But it looks as though its truly for people with no living relatives, as the council will chase families for the money. so unfortunately not an option either.
back to the drawing board.. there must be another option.
Are Funeral Pyres allowed \ legal?
Edited by SystemParanoia on Wednesday 1st February 00:27
I'm a funeral director. The cheapest option is to leave your body to medical science. But you must have this prepared and agreed in advance with one of the university hospitals that accept body donation. Assuming your mode of death does not destroy the tissue structure of your body, you should be good to go, the hospital will arrange for you to be transferred to the hospital by their contract funerals director, and then they will do with you what they wish, your cock probably ending up in a pint glass on a student union bar. After they have finished with you, the university hospital will pay for a simple cremation at their local crematorium, again, through a contract FD.
You cannot be forced to make funeral arrangements for a family member. If a person dies in hospital and nobody does anything, the hospital will be responsible for payment. An admin will register the death to get the correct paperwork, and they will arrange for a contract FD to carry out simple cremation service. Any family are able to find out when and where the funeral will be, but will have no say in the arrangements. There will be a minister present however. If someone dies at home, nursing home, in the street, etc and no one is forthcoming to take care of the arrangements, the local council will be liable to pay for a contact funeral, same rules apply.
You do not need to use the services of a FD, you can do it yourself, but you cannot present a body at a crematorium without a coffin. Crematorium regs state the deceased will need to be in a suitable coffin, the construction of which abides by their regulations to ensure emission control, and clearly marked with a plate to identify the deceased. And there is no 'cremate at the end of the day, all together' . Municipal crematoria are very very tightly regulated. Private crematoria could hang on to a coffin and cremate later, but they have to be cremated separately and ashes clearly marked and kept separate throughout. Burial can theoretically be done on any private land with the owners permission, but there are regulations about how close to a water course you are buried.
Last year I had a chap come to see me who had been contacted by a local hospital and informed his uncle had died. He had never had anything to do with his uncle, but was told by the hospital he had to take responsibility. The poor chap didn't have a pot to piss in or window to throw it out of. I assured him he didn't have to do anything, and spoke to the hospital administrator on his behalf, informing them he would do nothing more, and the responsibility lie with them. The
s at the hospital lied and bullstted the poor chap, convincing him the financial burden for the funeral lay with him. They backed off and paid their contracted FD (not me!) to do the funeral. He bought me in a box of Quality Street for helping
You cannot be forced to make funeral arrangements for a family member. If a person dies in hospital and nobody does anything, the hospital will be responsible for payment. An admin will register the death to get the correct paperwork, and they will arrange for a contract FD to carry out simple cremation service. Any family are able to find out when and where the funeral will be, but will have no say in the arrangements. There will be a minister present however. If someone dies at home, nursing home, in the street, etc and no one is forthcoming to take care of the arrangements, the local council will be liable to pay for a contact funeral, same rules apply.
You do not need to use the services of a FD, you can do it yourself, but you cannot present a body at a crematorium without a coffin. Crematorium regs state the deceased will need to be in a suitable coffin, the construction of which abides by their regulations to ensure emission control, and clearly marked with a plate to identify the deceased. And there is no 'cremate at the end of the day, all together' . Municipal crematoria are very very tightly regulated. Private crematoria could hang on to a coffin and cremate later, but they have to be cremated separately and ashes clearly marked and kept separate throughout. Burial can theoretically be done on any private land with the owners permission, but there are regulations about how close to a water course you are buried.
Last year I had a chap come to see me who had been contacted by a local hospital and informed his uncle had died. He had never had anything to do with his uncle, but was told by the hospital he had to take responsibility. The poor chap didn't have a pot to piss in or window to throw it out of. I assured him he didn't have to do anything, and spoke to the hospital administrator on his behalf, informing them he would do nothing more, and the responsibility lie with them. The
s at the hospital lied and bullstted the poor chap, convincing him the financial burden for the funeral lay with him. They backed off and paid their contracted FD (not me!) to do the funeral. He bought me in a box of Quality Street for helping Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff