Daily Mail: Computers damage children
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[url]www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/womenfamily.html?in_article_id=342367&in_page_id=1799[/url]
They want to make the women of middle England fear everything.
They want to make the women of middle England fear everything.
So first they said kids with access to computers do better, and now they've changed their minds. This research must be so full of "informed" opinion that it is utterly utterly worthless. Who are these people ? And who the hell still buys the Daily Mail? You get better journalism in "Take a Break" magazine!
There is a book by Clifford Stoll called Silicon Snake Oil that alludes to much the same thing and I think he has a point.
Gates, Ellison et al preach the benefits of the internet. Kids have more information than ever before etc etc.
But as they are using computers they are not doing other things. They are not learning the reward of looking up an index card in a library. They are not learning the dying skill of handwriting. They are not interacting on a personal level with other children face to face.
Computers have a place in society but they should not become so pervasive that society breaks down as a result. It breeds insularity and shyness and that is not a good thing.
Gates, Ellison et al preach the benefits of the internet. Kids have more information than ever before etc etc.
But as they are using computers they are not doing other things. They are not learning the reward of looking up an index card in a library. They are not learning the dying skill of handwriting. They are not interacting on a personal level with other children face to face.
Computers have a place in society but they should not become so pervasive that society breaks down as a result. It breeds insularity and shyness and that is not a good thing.
Plotloss said:
They are not learning the reward of looking up an index card in a library. They are not learning the dying skill of handwriting. They are not interacting on a personal level with other children face to face.
If you ask anyone who has been in teaching for 20 plus years why it has gone wrong they will tell you because they are not allowed to taech as they would have done years ago. They are being told how to teach by suits who have never been in a classroom, endless admin and parent's evenings etc etc . To compensate for the lower standard of education today the pass marks are lowered each year to allow the government to claim great progress.
I wonder how many people who got a degree in the last 10 years would have passed 30 years ago?
Ribol said:
To compensate for the lower standard of education today the pass marks are lowered each year to allow the government to claim great progress.
Indeed. I was very surprised to hear they plan to make exams garder...
This will cause the pass rate to drop... perhaps they will use that as evidence of their new hard exams? It's a mad world.
Their idea that everybody can get a degree is frankly laughable. If everyone has one, what's the point?
More to the point why does everyone have to have one?
I find it disgusting that Blair makes such statements as 'Labour want to see 75% of school children go onto gain a degree'
What exactly is wrong with being a mechanic or a plumber or a roofer then Tony?
The bloke is an utter w*nker.
I find it disgusting that Blair makes such statements as 'Labour want to see 75% of school children go onto gain a degree'
What exactly is wrong with being a mechanic or a plumber or a roofer then Tony?
The bloke is an utter w*nker.
bruciebabe said:
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They want to make the women of middle England fear everything.
But just suppose they are right? That would make you one of Satan's helpers wouldn't it? Imagine that...
Anyhow, the Daily Mail is a schizoid paper...so I wouldn't pay too much attention. They are often accused of hyping computer games...
>> Edited by alexkp on Wednesday 23 March 12:04
Daily Mail said:
Shock NHS Report
'EVERYONE IN BRITAIN WILL DIE'
If present trends continue, every man, woman and child alive in Britain will be dead by the year 2150. And there is nothing the NHS can do to stop this.
That is the shock finding of a top secret report compiled by senior NHS experts, which has been suppressed on Tony Blair's personal orders.
This catastrophic failure by the NHS gives the lie to government claims that Labour is looking after Britain's health better than any government before it.
As the election looms, the people of Britain have today been confronted with the stark reality that 60 million people will all be dead, the majority of them within the next 150 years.
What an indictment of Tony Blair and his policies!
Once the NHS stood for "National Health Services" and was the envy of the world. Today it stands only for "National Horror Story", and means only one thing - death.
On other pages - "Vote Labour and sign your own death warrant" - Simon Heffer writes, p.10
With thanks to Private Eye
Plotloss said:
But would you not agree that traditionally those careers are apprentiship led?
Can you even do a degree in roofing?
I would much rather employ someone who has real experience in the field than some tosser straight out of Uni that thinks he knows everything there is to know.
Yes what this country needs is a decent vocational training system-not more degrees in media studies or such like.
??? Did anyone actually read the original link?
They are reporting a piece of research from Munich University. They are not drawing any conclusions from it - nor is there any commentary with it.
The final part of the article looks at the difference between this research and govt policy:
Or would we prefer a newspaper that didn't question our Govt, or Govt policy, or report on anything "bad" or "scary" or "contrary to our opinions"?
I think that paper is called the Guardian.
They are reporting a piece of research from Munich University. They are not drawing any conclusions from it - nor is there any commentary with it.
The final part of the article looks at the difference between this research and govt policy:
daily mail said:
Ofsted has previously warned that pupils may be failing to make progress in the three Rs because they spend too much time in front of computers at school.
Nevertheless the Government has pushed a policy of 'personalised learning' with computers, and children as young as eight have access to laptop computers.
Or would we prefer a newspaper that didn't question our Govt, or Govt policy, or report on anything "bad" or "scary" or "contrary to our opinions"?
I think that paper is called the Guardian.
Our two girls were becoming completely zombified by spending too long "surfing" the internet - no good at all. So we've passworded it all and now they can only get access by earning "Screen Tokens" - to be used either online or watching TV - by doing such tasks as emptying the dishwasher, sorting the laundry, sweeping the chimney... works a treat, everybody 
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