NEXT GENERATION VANTAGE

[V8 Vantage GT]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-martin/v8-vanta...

Looks like it's going to be a beauty.

[BamfordMike]

Yeah, it don't look too shabby at all.

The article states 4.0-litre twin-turbo AMG GT = 456 BHP

Current GT8 is 440 BHP @ 1510kg kerb weight.

So where the article says "likely to be paired with a <cough> eight-speed ZF automatic gearbox". I hope the likely word extends to the GTS @ 503 BHP with the seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox mated to it. 440 BHP and ZF auto on a car which has to weigh in greater kerb weight than GT8 doesn't initially seem to have the legs to go with face?

[V8 Vantage GT]

BamfordMike said:

Yeah, it don't look too shabby at all.

The article states 4.0-litre twin-turbo AMG GT = 456 BHP

Current GT8 is 440 BHP @ 1510kg kerb weight.

So where the article says "likely to be paired with a <cough> eight-speed ZF automatic gearbox". I hope the likely word extends to the GTS @ 503 BHP with the seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox mated to it. 440 BHP and ZF auto on a car which has to weigh in greater kerb weight than GT8 doesn't initially seem to have the legs to go with face?

I agree 456 BHP would be a HUGE disappointment these days.

[divetheworld]

V8 Vantage GT said:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-martin/v8-vanta...

Looks like it's going to be a beauty.

The real thing will be better looking. You've not long to wait now.

[RobDown]

Andy Palmer tweeted a few days ago words to the effect of "the autoexpress vision of the new Vantage isn't correct". I think the phrase he actually used was that they needed to sharpen their pencils a lot

Then in response to auto express asking where they went wrong he followed up with "think more beautiful, more differentiation, more aggression like a Vulcan"

Still, let's hope it gets as strong a reception as the db11

Edited by RobDown on Sunday 5th February 09:42

[Little Donkey]

Exclusive images of the new 2017 Aston Martin Vantage reveal the bold DB11-inspired shape of the Porsche 911 rival

Translates to

Something we knocked up in the office based on pure speculation and the best we could do was play around with some old library pictures of a DB10.

[RobDown]

Little Donkey said:

Exclusive images of the new 2017 Aston Martin Vantage reveal the bold DB11-inspired shape of the Porsche 911 rival

Translates to

Something we knocked up in the office based on pure speculation and the best we could do was play around with some old library pictures of a DB10.

[IanV12VR]

Andy Palmer's tweet makes sense because my understanding is that there would be a distinction between the sports car (Vantage) and GT car (DB11) so why would the fronts look so similar. I think the new Vantage will be much more closely related to the DB10 than the DB11.

[M5MarkM]

I had an AMG GTS last year. I only had it for 2 months as I was soooo piffed off with it. BUT the engine was pretty good, obviously I prefer NA engines but for a twin turbo it wasn't bad at all

[petop]

Of course Autoexpress are well known for putting out photos which don't exactly match the finished product but even if its 2/3 there its a bit too much F-Type from the rear....

Edited by petop on Monday 6th February 04:21

[V8 Vantage GT]

RobDown said:

Andy Palmer tweeted a few days ago words to the effect of "the autoexpress vision of the new Vantage isn't correct". I think the phrase he actually used was that they needed to sharpen their pencils a lot

Then in response to auto express asking where they went wrong he followed up with "think more beautiful, more differentiation, more aggression like a Vulcan"

Still, let's hope it gets as strong a reception as the db11

Edited by RobDown on Sunday 5th February 09:42

No doubt about it these drawings are speculation on the part of Auto Express, and the real deal will be much nicer than even the DB11. The article did say the car will be longer than the current Vantage, I sure hope not, and if, I hope not by much.

[FrankieV12VS]

IanV12VR said:

Andy Palmer's tweet makes sense because my understanding is that there would be a distinction between the sports car (Vantage) and GT car (DB11) so why would the fronts look so similar. I think the new Vantage will be much more closely related to the DB10 than the DB11.

This...definitely

[Jon39]

This cannot be right.

In the rear three quarter view, think of the present car;
Change rear lights.
Put some dents in the doors.
Do a strange indent in the rear part of the roof.

Otherwise it looks almost the same as before. There must be more to the new design, than is shown by this image.

[Grumpydev]

Out of interest, have they set a date for the "big reveal" yet? I was hoping to see something at the London Motor Show in May, but I'm guessing that will be way too early.

[dbs2000]

As soon as I clicked the link I thought "don't be another AE rendering"
Does anyone know if it is being unveiled at Geneva or is that a little too soon?

[RobDown]

For what it's worth Andy Palmer's reply to Autoexpress referred to them having to be a ""little" patient. But he didn't reply to follow up questions about a possible Geneva reveal.

I wouldn't be too surprised though (but have no inside knowledge etc, just a hunch)

[Jon39]

RobDown said:

For what it's worth Andy Palmer's reply to Autoexpress referred to them having to be a ""little" patient. But he didn't reply to follow up questions about a possible Geneva reveal.

I wouldn't be too surprised though (but have no inside knowledge etc, just a hunch)

My guess is that the original timescale was launch Geneva, begin deliveries September.

Remember that the extension of Vantage Mk1 sales in USA was to September 2017 (the safety people), so presumably it cannot be sold there after that.

However, there have been hints of a later launch, so I wonder if development has taken longer.

[Big Ry]

From what I've been told expect to see a cross between the DB10 and a Vulcan...........which will be pretty interesting. Also I hear rumours of a pretty big price jump, I think the days of any circa £100k Aston are long gone.

That does make sense though really. Aston aren't like Porsche that make many variants (19 911 variants at the moment) of the same model to suit desires/needs and budgets. Look at the current Vantage line up, V8 or V12, Roadster or Coupe, 4 models that's it (excluding specials).

I think the new V8 Vantage will be aimed squarely at the 911 Turbo bracket and hence will be priced at a similar point. I think Aston want to get away from competing with the likes of the F-Type and M BMW's and sit firmly in the 911 Turbo and R8 V10 camp. I could then see a V12 TT following which would sit between the top end/special 911 's and the 488 market.

All just opinion of course.

[jonby]

BamfordMike said:

Yeah, it don't look too shabby at all.

The article states 4.0-litre twin-turbo AMG GT = 456 BHP

Current GT8 is 440 BHP @ 1510kg kerb weight.

So where the article says "likely to be paired with a <cough> eight-speed ZF automatic gearbox". I hope the likely word extends to the GTS @ 503 BHP with the seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox mated to it. 440 BHP and ZF auto on a car which has to weigh in greater kerb weight than GT8 doesn't initially seem to have the legs to go with face?

I'd be expecting firmly north of 500bhp for launch vantage - even assuming my longstanding well documented view that V12 Vantage will be replaced by a higher state of tune version of the AMG V8 is correct, you will understand better than I do Mike that there is a lot of room for improvement out of the AMG engine over the next few years - latest E63S is putting out over 600 bhp with that engine and one has to assume that if it's going to be around for at least another 5-7 yrs, it will be close to or even above 700 bhp by the end of it's life ?

If so, there is plenty of room for new vantage to put out 520+ and then launch higher performance models over the following years.

Jaguar F type R is £90k and has 540 bhp. I think new Vantage will start at comfortably over 100k, perhaps 110-120k base price OTR and I can't see it being more than 10 or 20 bhp off that F type's output

[jonby]

Big Ry said:

From what I've been told expect to see a cross between the DB10 and a Vulcan...........which will be pretty interesting. Also I hear rumours of a pretty big price jump, I think the days of any circa £100k Aston are long gone.

That does make sense though really. Aston aren't like Porsche that make many variants (19 911 variants at the moment) of the same model to suit desires/needs and budgets. Look at the current Vantage line up, V8 or V12, Roadster or Coupe, 4 models that's it (excluding specials).

I think the new V8 Vantage will be aimed squarely at the 911 Turbo bracket and hence will be priced at a similar point. I think Aston want to get away from competing with the likes of the F-Type and M BMW's and sit firmly in the 911 Turbo and R8 V10 camp. I could then see a V12 TT following which would sit between the top end/special 911 's and the 488 market.

All just opinion of course.

Agreed - we were typing our posts above at the same time ! Well with one exception - I still maintain there is no need for a V12 in the Vantage. It's not comparing eggs with eggs, but the latest Mclaren 3.8 TT being launched at Geneva is putting out 720 and the LT to follow in a couple of years will be putting out 750 !