This is why a clean break divorce is ESSENTIAL...
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I must be incredibly naive here but why the hell does he have to give her money per month after they've got divorced? Is it along the lines of her being a stay at home partner and putting a career on hold?
Seems absurd that someone can make a claim on what you earn once you've divorced? That is mental. I can understand if there are children to support it's a different thing.
Seems absurd that someone can make a claim on what you earn once you've divorced? That is mental. I can understand if there are children to support it's a different thing.
But the businessman has now been ordered to increase Mrs Mills's monthly payments to £1,441 so she is 'able to meet her basic needs'.
I get that when a married couple split up, there has to be a division of marital assets. And I get that the division may not always reflect what was put in financially.
But I just don't understand why, once the money has been divided up and they've gone their own ways, one has to be responsible for the other's 'basic needs'.
You're not even legally responsible for your own offspring's basic needs once they become adult!
It makes absolutely no sense.
I wonder, if her playing at property tycoon had been a success, and he had gone bust in the meantime, whether she would be ruled to be responsible for his 'basic needs'...
I get that when a married couple split up, there has to be a division of marital assets. And I get that the division may not always reflect what was put in financially.
But I just don't understand why, once the money has been divided up and they've gone their own ways, one has to be responsible for the other's 'basic needs'.
You're not even legally responsible for your own offspring's basic needs once they become adult!
It makes absolutely no sense.
I wonder, if her playing at property tycoon had been a success, and he had gone bust in the meantime, whether she would be ruled to be responsible for his 'basic needs'...
Reading between the lines, it looks like her 'property investing' was simply trying to live the lifestyle in posh houses, remortgaging and spending the equity as prices soared.
As the saying has it, you only see who's swimming naked when the tide goes out. Tide's turned in London, she'll be the first of many (most won't have an ex husband to fund the lifestyle excesses though...)
As the saying has it, you only see who's swimming naked when the tide goes out. Tide's turned in London, she'll be the first of many (most won't have an ex husband to fund the lifestyle excesses though...)
Alex_225 said:
I must be incredibly naive here but why the hell does he have to give her money per month after they've got divorced? Is it along the lines of her being a stay at home partner and putting a career on hold?
Seems absurd that someone can make a claim on what you earn once you've divorced? That is mental. I can understand if there are children to support it's a different thing.
I guess this is spousal maintenance? i.e. he agreed to pay 1100 pounds spousal due to the opportunity cost of her sacrificing her career to facilitate him advancing his. Seems absurd that someone can make a claim on what you earn once you've divorced? That is mental. I can understand if there are children to support it's a different thing.
Seems like he's done pretty well, taking 200k/yr from his business and is therefore able to contribute to her ability to cover her basic cost of living.
yajeed said:
Alex_225 said:
I must be incredibly naive here but why the hell does he have to give her money per month after they've got divorced? Is it along the lines of her being a stay at home partner and putting a career on hold?
Seems absurd that someone can make a claim on what you earn once you've divorced? That is mental. I can understand if there are children to support it's a different thing.
I guess this is spousal maintenance? i.e. he agreed to pay 1100 pounds spousal due to the opportunity cost of her sacrificing her career to facilitate him advancing his. Seems absurd that someone can make a claim on what you earn once you've divorced? That is mental. I can understand if there are children to support it's a different thing.
Seems like he's done pretty well, taking 200k/yr from his business and is therefore able to contribute to her ability to cover her basic cost of living.
Fifteen Years!
I don't really understand divorce and I hope I never need to learn, but the front of some people.
Good friend of mine divorced after 6 months, they separated during the Honeymoon, true story.
Had a clean break, no assets, house bought at the height of the boom - negative equity, no cash either, no kids - should have been easy - he didn't want to move and didn't want it to drag on so 'kept' the house but couldn't refinance into a mortgage in sole name because of the negative equity. Worked his arse off, 7 day weeks, long days etc for 2 years to raise the money, but managed to pay it into equity and refinance in his own name, the market picked up too which helped.
Three and a half years after the break, she dropped him a little e-mail, "I see the market has recovered, I'd like my half of the deposit on 'our' house back as I'm trying to buy another place" - with the Man she was cheating on him with to boot. It was a short reply, but if he hadn't moved mountains to clear the negative equity he could have been in real trouble.
I don't really understand divorce and I hope I never need to learn, but the front of some people.
Good friend of mine divorced after 6 months, they separated during the Honeymoon, true story.
Had a clean break, no assets, house bought at the height of the boom - negative equity, no cash either, no kids - should have been easy - he didn't want to move and didn't want it to drag on so 'kept' the house but couldn't refinance into a mortgage in sole name because of the negative equity. Worked his arse off, 7 day weeks, long days etc for 2 years to raise the money, but managed to pay it into equity and refinance in his own name, the market picked up too which helped.
Three and a half years after the break, she dropped him a little e-mail, "I see the market has recovered, I'd like my half of the deposit on 'our' house back as I'm trying to buy another place" - with the Man she was cheating on him with to boot. It was a short reply, but if he hadn't moved mountains to clear the negative equity he could have been in real trouble.
yajeed said:
I guess this is spousal maintenance? i.e. he agreed to pay 1100 pounds spousal due to the opportunity cost of her sacrificing her career to facilitate him advancing his.
Seems like he's done pretty well, taking 200k/yr from his business and is therefore able to contribute to her ability to cover her basic cost of living.
In many cases the wife has sacrificed nothing to get married and has played a zero role in any business success. However ex wives (and the courts) see a husband a bit like a cashpoint machine.Seems like he's done pretty well, taking 200k/yr from his business and is therefore able to contribute to her ability to cover her basic cost of living.
anonymous said:
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I think "the point" is that back in 2001 he made a deal, £230k and maintenance payments for her (it's usually just for kids these days, isn't it?) as there usually is with the Heil there will be more details they're not reporting. She's gone back to court because the payments, which don't sound as if they're risen in line with inflation were no longer supporting her, yes by modern moral standards it's very unfair and it seems it’s her fault they’re no longer supporting her - but that's the deal he made. Even in 2001 it would have been a very generous settlement - he must have thought his business was worth the money and it probably is.
anonymous said:
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I'm not sure I'm missing the point. What he's missing is something in the consent order which says that the opportunity to claim SM ceased at the same time as CM, and that was when their child reaches the age of 18 or leaves full time education. Most do, from what I can ascertain. I didn't say it was fair, nor did I say pushing for a clean break wasn't absolutely the right thing to do.
anonymous said:
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She could have bought a perfectly nice house outright, and lived very comfortably on her tax free income (from her ex-husband's taxed income) and topped it up with a part time job if she'd wanted.Instead, she bought posh houses, lived in them and remortgaged and maxed credit cards to pay the bills.
And that's fine, she's an adult. She's allowed to.
The difference is, she's an adult that was once married to a wealthy man, so now she's been presented with a lifetime 'get out of financial s
t free card' via the court process. Unlike the rest of us, she doesn't have to live with the consequences of her poor choices.
Her ex husband from 15 years ago does though!
Absolutely absurd. Add me to the list of people never getting married.
anonymous said:
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I'm not sure I agree. Most women I know regarded it as their choice, a luxury choice, to be able to give up work and be with the child. Personally I wouldn't have bothered either way, buy my wife positively wanted to be at home with the children. I would have worked just as hard if we had had a nanny. No difference.As the thread title confirms, it really is essential to ensure that any divorce arrangements are totally watertight. There's rather a lot of cases where there's a claim against the other party (usually the husband) many years afterwards. It must be very frustrating to start a new life, get over some difficult times, and yet still be plagued by past problems returning to create further hassle.
NDA said:
I'm not sure I agree. Most women I know regarded it as their choice, a luxury choice, to be able to give up work and be with the child. Personally I wouldn't have bothered either way, buy my wife positively wanted to be at home with the children. I would have worked just as hard if we had had a nanny. No difference.
Plus one - my wife went back to work after the first but not the second. She chose to not go back to work when he started school, even though she could have. I didn't have such luxury, I had to keep working. Meanwhile my wife enjoyed the whole "woman what lunch" thing.
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