Stick with my Golf MK5 GTI or change to ED30/8P S3?
Discussion
Have owned my Mk5 since August and I do love it. Since I bought it I've had 99% of all the service items done. PCV/DV/Cam Follower/ Cambelt/ Water Pump/ Thermostat/ Full Service inc Spark Plugs. Its done just over 120000 miles but still drives great. The spec its got is pretty much as good as it gets too. Every option box ticked. Highline/xenons/ electric heated folding mirrors/multifunction wheel etc
I've been looking at swapping it for an ED30/S3, mainly for the tuning potential. Im fairly new to cars (past couple of years) but love the idea of starting stock and going stage2/stage2+ etc.
I'd be looking at around £8/9k for a ED30/S3 and then selling the GTI for £4/4.5k ish.
Should I spend a little bit on mine first, go Stage 1 and see how I get on, or save the money and spend it on a ED30/S3 instead. I'd likely need a clutch if I was to go any further than Stage 1.
Thanks
I've been looking at swapping it for an ED30/S3, mainly for the tuning potential. Im fairly new to cars (past couple of years) but love the idea of starting stock and going stage2/stage2+ etc.
I'd be looking at around £8/9k for a ED30/S3 and then selling the GTI for £4/4.5k ish.
Should I spend a little bit on mine first, go Stage 1 and see how I get on, or save the money and spend it on a ED30/S3 instead. I'd likely need a clutch if I was to go any further than Stage 1.
Thanks
So heres some quick facts and figures
Stage 1 - Approx 300BHP (Remap Only)
Stage 2 - Approx 330BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake)
Stage 2+ - Approx 360BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake, HPFP)
If its a manual you'll need to get the clutch sorted, as a stock clutch won't handle that kind of power for long. If you are going for a DSG gearbox, then it will handle it fine. Infact, you should get the DSG gearbox mapped.
In terms of cars, the edition 30 is a front wheel drive car, much the same as the gti. This means there will be wheel hop when you try to put the power down. The S3 comes as a haldex quattro, so whilst it is still front wheel biased it does send power to the rear where and when necessary. This makes it much easier to put the power down.
In all honesty for the 8-9K Budget, you could get a decent edition 30, or an average S3 2006-2008 shape. Both are very good cars, however the Audi would be the better choice if you're chasing useable power.
Stage 1 - Approx 300BHP (Remap Only)
Stage 2 - Approx 330BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake)
Stage 2+ - Approx 360BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake, HPFP)
If its a manual you'll need to get the clutch sorted, as a stock clutch won't handle that kind of power for long. If you are going for a DSG gearbox, then it will handle it fine. Infact, you should get the DSG gearbox mapped.
In terms of cars, the edition 30 is a front wheel drive car, much the same as the gti. This means there will be wheel hop when you try to put the power down. The S3 comes as a haldex quattro, so whilst it is still front wheel biased it does send power to the rear where and when necessary. This makes it much easier to put the power down.
In all honesty for the 8-9K Budget, you could get a decent edition 30, or an average S3 2006-2008 shape. Both are very good cars, however the Audi would be the better choice if you're chasing useable power.
Pistonheader101 said:
So heres some quick facts and figures
Stage 1 - Approx 300BHP (Remap Only)
Stage 2 - Approx 330BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake)
Stage 2+ - Approx 360BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake, HPFP)
If its a manual you'll need to get the clutch sorted, as a stock clutch won't handle that kind of power for long. If you are going for a DSG gearbox, then it will handle it fine. Infact, you should get the DSG gearbox mapped.
In terms of cars, the edition 30 is a front wheel drive car, much the same as the gti. This means there will be wheel hop when you try to put the power down. The S3 comes as a haldex quattro, so whilst it is still front wheel biased it does send power to the rear where and when necessary. This makes it much easier to put the power down.
In all honesty for the 8-9K Budget, you could get a decent edition 30, or an average S3 2006-2008 shape. Both are very good cars, however the Audi would be the better choice if you're chasing useable power.
I think your figures above are based on a K04 turbo car not the standard K03 that is fitted to a normal GTi. The K04 is fitted to an ED30/S3Stage 1 - Approx 300BHP (Remap Only)
Stage 2 - Approx 330BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake)
Stage 2+ - Approx 360BHP (Remap, Exhaust, Intake, HPFP)
If its a manual you'll need to get the clutch sorted, as a stock clutch won't handle that kind of power for long. If you are going for a DSG gearbox, then it will handle it fine. Infact, you should get the DSG gearbox mapped.
In terms of cars, the edition 30 is a front wheel drive car, much the same as the gti. This means there will be wheel hop when you try to put the power down. The S3 comes as a haldex quattro, so whilst it is still front wheel biased it does send power to the rear where and when necessary. This makes it much easier to put the power down.
In all honesty for the 8-9K Budget, you could get a decent edition 30, or an average S3 2006-2008 shape. Both are very good cars, however the Audi would be the better choice if you're chasing useable power.
This is the Revo figures for a normal GTi http://www.revotechnik.com/products-for-vehicle/vo...
Edited by Andy OH on Wednesday 8th February 10:42
Hi yes, the figures are for the edition 30 and the S3. Both of which use the K04 turbo, as does the cupra r and scirocco r.
In terms of OP's mk5 gti that hes currently running
Stage 1: 250bhp (circa £200)
Stage 2: 270bhp (close to £1,000 depending on exhaust)
A stage 1 map will transform the car and make it feel a lot more revvy. It will pull a lot harder too.
If your considering making the jump to the Ed30 or the S3 very soon, then there is no point in tuning it as it won't add value to the sale.
Note, there will be an increase in running costs assosiated with moving up to an ed30/s3, so this should also be factored in.
In terms of OP's mk5 gti that hes currently running
Stage 1: 250bhp (circa £200)
Stage 2: 270bhp (close to £1,000 depending on exhaust)
A stage 1 map will transform the car and make it feel a lot more revvy. It will pull a lot harder too.
If your considering making the jump to the Ed30 or the S3 very soon, then there is no point in tuning it as it won't add value to the sale.
Note, there will be an increase in running costs assosiated with moving up to an ed30/s3, so this should also be factored in.
Pistonheader101 has all the technicalities covered, but I would test drive both OP, because ultimately it's not all about numbers and on-paper comparisons.
KO4 engines make more power, but they are a lot laggier than the K03.
4WD is obviously better for traction, but what a lot of people never mention is just how reactive (as in slow) the now very dated Haldex Gen 3 diff is.
It's the reading between the lines you have to experience for yourself before coming to a decision. And I really don't know why anyone can't make their own minds up without internet hand holding these days. Get yourself down to some garages and get driving and come to your own conclusions.
KO4 engines make more power, but they are a lot laggier than the K03.
4WD is obviously better for traction, but what a lot of people never mention is just how reactive (as in slow) the now very dated Haldex Gen 3 diff is.
It's the reading between the lines you have to experience for yourself before coming to a decision. And I really don't know why anyone can't make their own minds up without internet hand holding these days. Get yourself down to some garages and get driving and come to your own conclusions.
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