Farm subsidy rich list

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Do we really need to be paying our farmers this much??:-



23 March 2005 09:53
The list of claimants receiving more than £70,000 in England.

23 March 2005 09:53

FARMCARE LIMITED £2,309,143.13
SOUTH WEST TOURISM £2,198,549.40
FOREST OF DARTMOOR COMMONERS £2,082,764.60
STRUTT & PARKER (FARMS) LTD (East Anglia) £1,484,090.72
CORNISH HORTICULTURE ENTERPRISES £1,293,017.42
CAMEL VALLEY POULTRY LIMITED £1,273,009.84
ALBANWISE LTD (Barton Bendish, Norfolk) £1,105,164.01
PARKERS OF LEICESTER LTD £1,021,865.14
SIR RICHARD SUTTON'S SETTLED ESTATES £1,008,179.06
BUSINESS LINK DEVON AND CORNWALL LTD £1,006,084.75
BLANKNEY ESTATES LTD (Lincolnshire) £908,517.51
THURLOW ESTATE FARMS (Suffolk) £826,338.08
RSPB £666,912.00
ELVEDEN FARMS LTD (Elveden, Suffolk) £658,127.59
J S R FARMS LTD (Yorkshire) £617,229.29
BECKHITHE FARMS LTD (Reedham, Norfolk) £594,488.24
DUCHY COLLEGE HOME FARM £590,895.79
R J & A E GODFREY £569,318.96
LORD RAYLEIGH'S FARMS LTD (Essex) £554,609.72
THE NATIONAL TRUST £550,423.12
BLENHEIM FARM PARTNERSHIP (Duke of Marlborough) £492,188.77
BEDFORDIA FARMS LTD £435,229.00
MAURICE MASON LTD (Norfolk) £422,818.10
GOODWOOD ESTATE COMPANY LTD £406,155.07
CUMBRIA COUNTY COUNCIL £398,921.34
FACCENDA FARMS LTD £394,753.75
SENTRY FARMS LTD £376,754.98
SANDRINGHAM FARMS (Sandringham, Norfolk)) £370,745.52
THE NATIONAL TRUST £365,967.02
THE NATIONAL TRUST £363,221.21
ADAS CONSULTING LTD £357,069.91
BRANSTON POTATOES LIMITED £355,337.10
NOCTON LTD £352,419.47
GROSVENOR FARMS LTD (Duke of Westminster) £351,289.21
WOBURN FARMING PARTNERSHIP £337,870.38
FREDERICK HIAM LTD,East Anglia £333,689.04
THE NATIONAL TRUST £332,329.60
PAUL RACKHAM LTD,Norfolk £327,772.25
ROBINSON FARMS (CARBROOKE)LTD £326,801.14
WALLINGTON FARMS £322,888.94
THELVETON FARMS (Sir Rupert Mann) £322,402.03
J WARD & SON (Farms) £321,007.02
WADDESDON FARMS £315,868.44
THE SOIL ASSOCIATION £314,337.75
EMMETT BROS £312,995.59
FARMSPEED (SOUTHERY ANCHOR)LTD £311,663.96
HARROLD & PARTNERS G W £311,449.57
RAYNHAM FARMS (Marquess Townshend) £310,273.68
NORFOLK WILDLIFE TRUST £308,280.51
RUSHALL FARMS £305,288.79
ASTLEY FARMS (Lord Hastings, Norfolk) £303,779.95
WRIGHT & SON (FARMS) LTD AG, (Cambridgeshire) £300,997.81
JH HEATH LTD £299,299.58
AJ THOMPSON & SONS £287,314.44
BQ FARMS LTD £286,089.49
WEST & SON C A, (Pulham, Norfolk) £284,158.24
STRAWSON G D (Nottinghamshire) £283,770.73
TEMPLE FARMING £283,058.46
B J RUTTERFORD (Suffolk) £273,994.39
BOWES OF NORFOLK LTD (Watton, Norfolk) £256,916.03
CHIVERS FARMS LTD (Cambridge) £255,951.85
A & E G HEADING LTD (Chatteris) £255,175.49
THE WICKEN FARMS CO (Castle Acre, Norfolk) £254,251.44
R F TURNER AND SON £253,697.72
J & R WALLACE FARMING £248,966.91
WYMONDHAM FARMS £247,095.68
CASTLE HOWARD ESTATE LTD £243,064.86
EMMETT UK LTD £242,796.26
H BARKER & SONS £242,713.58
PEPPER LTD E W £241,828.07
COOK T R E (Sennowe, Norfolk) £241,813.21
LEVERTON FARMS LTD £241,563.11
J W E BANKS LTD £241,428.45
JS FOUNTAINE & SON £240,766.81
W H STRAWSON (FARMS)LTD £239,716.44
ABBOTS RIPTON FARMS (Lord De Ramsey) £239,535.54
DEEPDALE FARMS £236,618.22
J A T & S M HODGE £233,807.98
MARK CAUDWELL LIMITED £232,849.72
WORSLEY FARMS £232,504.92
G C & F C KNIGHT LTD (Stody, Norfolk) £231,360.84
TRANSACRE LTD (Winterton, Norfolk) £230,082.28
DEVON COUNTY COUNCIL £229,578.18
SOMERLEYTON FARMS (Lord Somerleyton) £228,742.86
WROXHAM HOME FARMS (Trafford family, Wroxham) £227,686.69
WARD G H £227,673.87
DAVID LANGMEAD £226,965.43
W & AC ROSE (FARMS)LTD £224,982.23
JOSEPH NICKERSON FARMS £220,643.84
VELCOURT LTD £220,241.63
A.C HULME AND SONS £218,895.86
RURAL PAYMENTS AGENCY £218,830.84
GATLEY FARMS £215,131.59
E W BOWSER & SON LTD (Lincolnshire) £213,498.03
RSPB £210,861.77
EAUBRINK FARMS £210,826.87
NATIONAL TRUST £209,931.85
SOUTH PICKENHAM ESTATE COMPANY LTD (Norfolk) £206,792.71
STETCHWORTH ESTATE FARMS £205,897.26
WESTON PARK FARMS £203,736.13
RSPB £202,074.63
SIX MILE BOTTOM FARMS £200,668.95
WESTACRE FARMS (Norfolk) £199,884.50
BRADENHAM HALL FARMS (Dereham, Norfolk) £193,811.33
GEO GITTUS & SONS LTD (East Anglia) £193,548.47
G W PADLEY FARMS LTD £193,516.03
HEYGATE FARMS SWAFFHAM LTD (Norfolk) £192,109.88
SOTTERLEY FARMS PARTNERSHIP (Beccles) £190,371.79
KETLEY & SONS W A (Essex) £189,416.51
GREAT MELTON FARMS (Wymondham, Norfolk) £186,759.13
B J & P M GOODERHAM (South Norfolk) £185,976.39
ROUGHAM ESTATE FARMS £184,950.99
HOME FARM NACTON £183,980.56
AMPTON HALL ESTATES £183,696.24
KEN HILL FARMS (Snettisham, Norfolk) £183,633.88
GEO. H BOWSER LTD (Lincolnshire) £181,797.59
FEN FARMING CO LTD £181,357.95
FITZROY FARMING (East Anglia) £181,273.95
CHARLES WHARTON LTD (Norfolk) £180,497.92
HONINGHAM THORPE FARMS (Easton, Norfolk) £178,824.61
SAHAM GROVE LTD £178,560.20
THARROS LIMITED T/A PARK FARM WORMEGAY £178,105.52
BURWARTON FARMS £177,472.54
LOUDHAM ESTATES (SUFFOLK)LTD £174,155.17
BARNWELL MANOR FARMS (Duke of Gloucester) £173,182.75
LARK VALLEY FOODS LTD £171,641.74
NEWCOME-BAKER FARMS LTD (Sedgeford, Norfolk) £169,863.18
BENACRE FARMS CO (Beccles) £167,936.93
THRIPLOW FARMS (Oliver Walston, Cambridgeshire) £164,670.70
GEORGE THOMPSON (FARMS)LTD £164,404.14
THE MARQUESS OF CHOLMONDELEY (Norfolk and Cheshire) £162,968.94
KEITH FARM PARTNERSHIP (Hoe, Norfolk) £162,015.33
HEYGATE AND SONS FARMS (Swaffham, Norfolk) £161,723.36
J ALSTON AND SONS LTD (Norfolk) £160,651.13
ARTHUR GEE (THORNEY)LTD £160,249.11
SUFFOLK WILDLIFE TRUST £158,605.35
HARDINGHAM HALL FARMS (Norfolk) £157,473.93
JOHN KERR & CO (Suffolk) £157,312.01
W J & M MASH LTD £156,553.55
TRUMPINGTON FARM COMPANY £154,958.07
N F KEY & PARTNERS £152,789.96
WESTHORPE FARMS (Suffolk) £152,524.78
KENT COUNTY COUNCIL £152,469.82
A F PEMBERTON (THORNEY FARMS)LTD £152,177.29
R COOKE & SONS (Norfolk) £151,880.12
N J COWLING £151,876.96
SIR MICHAEL COLMAN (Humberside) £151,806.43
THOMPSON (LITTLEPORT FMS) (Cambridgeshire) £151,762.46
PROCTOR BROS (WINGLAND) LTD (Lincolnshire) £151,600.61
G H & J G PAUL (Suffolk) £150,556.73
JOHN RICHARDSON & SON (GOSBERTON)LTD £150,097.89
W H KERKHAM RHOON LTD (Terrington, King's Lynn) £148,151.39
HARTLEY MAIN FARM LTD £148,010.80
BOSTON FARMING COMPANY £147,953.45
THOMPSON J £147,783.03
DAVID BLACK & SON LTD (Suffolk) £147,561.74
ELVEDEN LIVESTOCK LIMITED £146,989.87
E & AG STRATTON £146,836.75
THORNHAM SETTLED ESTATE (Suffolk) £144,609.65
F H EASTON LTD (Norfolk) £144,081.43
GAME CONSERVANCY TRUST £142,052.43
DAVID ALSTON (SUFFOLK)LTD £141,645.18
DEBEN FARMS £141,629.85
THE NATIONAL TRUST £141,315.35
JSR PARTNERSHIP £140,464.66
ABEL BROS £139,318.17
M F STRAWSON LTD £137,902.26
G S SHROPSHIRE AND SONS (Cambridgeshire) £137,579.06
A HURN AND PARTNERS (Calthorpe, Norfolk) £137,333.98
HIRST (FARMERS) LTD (Norfolk) £136,225.02
CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY FARM £134,789.49
LAVENHAM FEN FARMS LTD £134,190.28
BARCLAY & SON £134,148.36
PARK FARM PARTNERS (Norfolk) £133,573.96
ORGANIC FARMING (CASTLE ACRE)LTD £133,283.76
THE ROYAL FARMS WINDSOR £130,865.19
MASSINGHAM FRUIT FARM (W Norfolk) £129,671.34
SWANTON MORLEY FARMS (Norfolk) £129,237.44
E W DAVIES FARMS LTD £129,186.73
SPORLE FARMS £128,649.04
B BROOKS EXECUTIVE PENSION SCHEME (Norfolk) £127,844.05
IRELANDS FARMS LIMITED (Lincolnshire) £127,762.55
EXNING ESTATE COMPANY (Newmarket) £127,645.38
HELEN BROWNING (EASTBROOK FARM) £127,354.33
THE WOODLAND TRUST £126,374.60
LEE (SAXTHORPE) LTD C J C (Holt, Norfolk) £126,306.70
GAWDY HALL ESTATES LIMITED (South Noroflk) £126,296.12
W H GITTINS AND SONS £125,581.90
ORGANIC FARMING (CASTLE ACRE) LTD (Norfolk) £124,975.25
ADAS CONSULTING LTD £124,804.87
BAWDESWELL FARMS LTD (David Gurney, Dereham) £124,002.62
UNIVERSITY OF NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE £121,413.75
RAVENINGHAM FARMS (Sir Nicholas Bacon, Beccles) £121,181.68
DERSINGHAM MANOR FARMS £120,910.87
KIDNER FARMING LTD (Stoke Holy Cross) £120,491.76
E HOWELL & SONS £120,439.29
J H NORMAN & SONS £120,403.44
PYNKNEY FARMS (Norfolk) £119,532.26
BEN BURGESS FARMS £118,060.95
H PADFIELD & SONS LTD £117,783.71
SOMERFORD HOME FARM £117,458.42
PARRISH & SON R J £117,452.89
J F & B M GRAY £117,411.88
PLUMPTON AGRICULTURAL COLLEGE £117,345.41
E A LANE (NORTH LYNN) LTD (King's Lynn) £116,397.07
HOLT FARMS £116,107.88
HARRISON & PARTNERS R (Norfolk) £115,676.95
RIX FARMS LTD P G (Essex) £115,494.30
DITCHINGHAM FARMS (The Earl Ferrrers) £114,326.72
GILLINGHAM ESTATE & FARMS (Beccles) £111,792.60
J E PICCAVER AND CO (GEDNEY MARSH) £109,640.01
DAVID ALSTON (NORFOLK)LTD £109,566.57
ESSEX WILDLIFE TRUST £109,359.69
R E BUSCALL & PARTNERS (Carbrooke, Norfolk) £109,283.13
ROBERT PADFIELD LTD £109,273.82
FROOD & SON J M £108,932.27
GEORGE LTD F&A £108,930.17
F WALTER & SONS LTD £108,921.75
G R & P EASTON £108,716.51
J GILBERT & SON LITTLEPORT LTD £107,827.27
J & C FARMS £107,817.22
PADFIELD (HAYLEYS)LTD £107,632.76
DAVID LOADS PARTNERSHIP (Norfolk) £107,605.67
NORFOLK FARM PRODUCE LTD £106,484.46
WALDEGRAVE FARMS LTD £106,113.62
J C SAMWORTH FARMS £106,094.06
ROTAC FARMS (Woodbastwick, Norfolk) £105,975.23
ALDBOROUGH FARMS LTD £105,795.81
A MARKILLIE LTD (Chatteris) £105,705.98
ADAMS GW £105,595.21
J&P PRIDEAUX £105,581.49
F PENNINGTON & SON (HOLBEACH)LTD £105,570.94
D W P GOUGH & CO LTD £105,548.03
PROCTOR BROS LONG SUTTON LTD £104,645.84
STRADSETT ESTATE FARMS (Dowham Market) £104,027.66
ELMSWELL FARMS (Suffolk) £103,725.94
RATTLEROW FARMS LTD (Norfolk) £103,650.13
THE CAREY SYNDICATE £103,366.22
COLLYWESTON FARM PARTNERSHIP £102,916.90
MORRIS (STONEA)LTD E H £102,768.35
CASTLE FARM PARTNERSHIP £102,377.32
MARHAM HALL FARMS LTD (Norfolk) £102,166.07
D A & M HODGE £101,873.09
ALLERTON RESEARCH AND EDUCATIONAL TRUST £99,309.82
THE FELIX THORNLEY COBBALD AGRICULTURAL £99,223.70
LINCOLNSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL £99,150.48
HARRY FERGUSON FARMS LTD (Isle of Wight) £98,559.52
SHOTESHAM ESTATES (Norfolk) £98,213.55
K H FARMING LTD £96,514.86
JEFFERIES FARMING PARTNERS £96,489.14
R GOUGH & SON £96,319.72
L F PAPWORTH LTD (Felmingham, Norfolk) £95,945.26
HUGH CRANE LTD (Upton, Norfolk) £95,901.92
HALLSWORTH (SOUTH NORFOLK)LTD £95,673.35
JONES R A £95,671.53
THOMPSON BRANCASTER FARMS (Norfolk) £94,233.49
HARROLD LTD E F (West Norfolk) £94,073.48
MOTT-RADCLYFFE FARMS (Mannington) £94,062.63
C N BECK & SONS LTD (Stalham) £93,524.63
B E GARROD & PARTNERS (Dereham, Norfolk) £92,795.67
RITCHIE D L (Norfolk) £92,636.16
E H WRINCH AND SON £92,478.28
THE EDWARDS PARTNERSHIP £92,461.72
WESTWICK FRUIT FARMS LTD (Norfolk) £91,875.84
W S ELKINGTON & SONS (Lincolnshire) £91,855.04
DRY DRAYTON ESTATE LTD (Cambridge) £86,722.35
WORSTEAD FARMS LTD (North Walsham) £86,688.47
C B RIVIS £86,560.13
MORLEY RESEARCH CENTRE (Wymondham) £86,390.37
CR & PJ SAUNDERS (Diss) £85,616.27
ELLINGHAM HOME FARM £85,525.32
E J PEROWNE (Norfolk) £84,520.51
NELSTROP & SON (Norfolk) £84,494.75
PLUMBE & MAUFE FARMING (Norfolk) £84,106.58
C HORRELL LTD (Peterborough) £81,696.76
BROWICK FARM LTD (Norfolk) £81,606.14
RW CHAPMAN AND SONS (Norfolk) £81,602.79
CARRICK & SON £81,582.65
THE UNIVERSITY OF READING £81,310.56
RUTTERFORD BROTHERS £81,216.57
DRAYTON FARMS LTD £80,838.01
DUCHY HOME FARM £78,697.83
JOHN DARBY (1959)LTD £78,562.70
EAST BECKHAM PRODUCE £78,554.58
STANHOE FARMS LTD (Norfolk) £78,211.46
C FOUNTAINE - NARFORD FARM (Norfolk) £77,643.09
U & PARTNERS (EAST ANGLIA)LTD £77,590.04
BRITISH FIELD PRODUCTS LTD £75,905.33
BRANTHILL FARMS LTD (Wells, Norfolk) £75,499.84
NECTON FARMS LTD (Norfolk) £75,426.18
HOLME HALE FARMS (Swaffham, Norfolk) £74,475.53
RICHARD SOLARI FARMS LTD £73,393.22
PARKER FARMS (BASSINGBOURN)LIMITED £73,155.88
QUARLES FARM PARTNERSHIP (Norfolk) £72,641.89
HILBOROUGH FARMS (Norfolk) £72,581.04
THORNHAM FARMS NORFOLK £72,001.33
STRATTON-STRELES ESTATES LTD (Norfolk) £71,224.50
GJ HOOK AND SON £70,880.75
PAGE BROS £70,163.60
J TAYLOR & SON £70,143.93
BROADBERRY & SON H £70,134.89
J CUNDALL FARMS £70,134.75
PIKERACE LIMITED £70,117.52
LEICESTERSHIRE LIVESTOCK £70,117.48
TAYLOR FARMS (SWALCLIFFE) £70,096.06
FOSBURY MANOR FARM £70,075.92
MS C LIGHTBURN & SONS £70,071.39
A E HAWKEY £70,067.08
COOKE & SON RB £70,063.20
MES DART AND PARTNERS £70,058.21
G M KEELING £70,047.54
J V LINDSAY & PARTNERS £70,024.23
R L & L E KENDAL £70,007.38

[cotty]

I don’t mind the normal farmers but why are we paying royalty, big chunks go to the queen and prince charles, don’t they have enough money already

[leosayer]

We're paying Business Link???

[tuscan_thunder]

the big producers - no, probably not.

the small farmers, like two man farms - yes, every penny.

the system isn't the fairest, but it's better than a lot that have been proposed.

If anyone thinks small farmers don't deserve support (and if it wasn't for successive governments bu**ering up farming) I point them in the direction of Farmers Weekly and its website. the facts and stats will shock.

small farms should be promoted as should organic produce. without them Tesco and the supermarkets will take over the world and force feed us all food packed with additives and e-numbers

[JagLover]

If you think that sounds alot of money-as a proportion of our GDP we receive the least out of the CAP then all other European nations.

[parrot of doom]

Too many small farms in this country tbh. Times have moved on, personally I think the smaller farms need to be swallowed up into conglomerates.

I'm not advocating building houses on farms etc, just that larger farms would perhaps be better able to survive in the modern world.

[JagLover]

tuscan_thunder said:

the big producers - no, probably not. the small farmers, like two man farms - yes, every penny. the system isn't the fairest, but it's better than a lot that have been proposed. If anyone thinks small farmers don't deserve support (and if it wasn't for successive governments bu**ering up farming) I point them in the direction of Farmers Weekly and its website. the facts and stats will shock. small farms should be promoted as should organic produce. without them Tesco and the supermarkets will take over the world and force feed us all food packed with additives and e-numbers

I don't believe the propaganda of the organic food movement-you want organic food fine, you pay extra for it-don't expect the rest of us to subsidise your consumption.

>> Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 23 March 17:05

[Plotloss]

Problem is that supermarkets should not be allowed to own the supply chain from manufacture through retail.

The idea of subsidies came in after the war and the rationing that arose from it to ensure that British people never went short of food.

Look at the big beneficiaries of the subsidies, they are huge power farming corporations who have acquired many family farms, they work on entirely different economies of scale to family farms and as such, IMO, should not be eligible for the subsidies.

[JagLover]

Plotloss said:

Problem is that supermarkets should not be allowed to own the supply chain from manufacture through retail. The idea of subsidies came in after the war and the rationing that arose from it to ensure that British people never went short of food. Look at the big beneficiaries of the subsidies, they are huge power farming corporations who have acquired many family farms, they work on entirely different economies of scale to family farms and as such, IMO, should not be eligible for the subsidies.

Personally I don't think that farmers(large or small) should receive a single penny in subsidy for producing food. They should be paid a land maintenance grant. Those who maintain their farms in an environmentally friendly manner and keep it looking nice for walkers should receive a grant per acre they own. A number will go out of business-but that's capitalism for you.

[Plotloss]

Subsidies and quotas have in the main crippled UK farming so I would agree with you on that point.

The problem is the cost of production against importing which ultimately screwed them and just about every other British industry.

Globalisation, whilst a fundamental principal of global capitalism I believe should be tempered in order to protect British society. Buy your coal/veg/meat from Poland by all means but be aware there will be a mechanism in place to level the playing field against UK production costs.

The concept of an EU has moved us far beyond the point that this would be workable unfortunately.

[GingerNinja]

Would this be the same bunch of farmers screaming that the 'townies' don't understand the country and should stay away from the foxhunting debate? Funny - they seem perfectly happen to live of our taxes.

[Plotloss]

Interesting to note that Farmcare Limited are part of the Co-Op group.

This has to stop.

[simpo two]

cotty said:

I don’t mind the normal farmers but why are we paying royalty, big chunks go to the queen and prince charles, don’t they have enough money already

Keep it in perspective, the Government wastes more than that every day. And the royals provide lots of employment. I'd rather my taxes went to them than teaching asylum seekers how to drive.

[stainless_steve]

JagLover said:

keep it looking nice for walkers should receive a grant per acre they own. A number will go out of business-but that's capitalism for you.

What the hell has it to do with walkers?

[JagLover]

stainless_steve said:

JagLover said: keep it looking nice for walkers should receive a grant per acre they own. A number will go out of business-but that's capitalism for you. What the hell has it to do with walkers?

The only possible reason to pay farmers any taxpayers money is if what they do benefits the rest of society. Walkers are an element of the rest of society who benefit from farmers keeping things tidy.

[Trommel]

Get real. Do you have any idea what is wasted elsewhere by our Government from out taxes (with no EU input)?

£370,000,000 put aside for ridiculous "accessibility improvements" by the DoT - how much of that is going to be spent sensibly or usefully?

[stainless_steve]

JagLover said:

stainless_steve said: JagLover said: keep it looking nice for walkers should receive a grant per acre they own. A number will go out of business-but that's capitalism for you. What the hell has it to do with walkers? The only possible reason to pay farmers any taxpayers money is if what they do benefits the rest of society. Walkers are an element of the rest of society who benefit from farmers keeping things tidy.

I take it your a walker then

[gary_tholl]

JagLover said:

The only possible reason to pay farmers any taxpayers money is if what they do benefits the rest of society. Walkers are an element of the rest of society who benefit from farmers keeping things tidy.

Oh, like food? or does that not benefit you?

I must admit that I am surprised by the subsidies that are given to farmers over there. I'm from a farm background in Canada, and we don't get anything like that.

As for the chap who suggested big conglomerate farms... do you mean like the ones used in Russia in the 80's? Yeah, that worked quite well, didn't it? There isn't an easy answer, but it needs all sorts, family farms, hobby farms, big farms, corporate farms, etc.

The thing is, over here, farmers get the same $ per bushel of wheat (about 4) as they did in the 60's. BUT, equipment costs have gone up 10x, fuel costs in the range of 5x, fertilizer costs up 5x... The 'rich' farmers here don't OWN anything... it's just that the banks can't foreclose, as they'll only get cents on the dollars they have invested in the farmer, so they keep giving more money, putting him further and further in debt, on the chance that it will turn around, or that they will get all of his land when it finally goes tits up.

I'm not sure how the subs work over there, but they are nothing more than a joke here.

Gary

[john75]

Beats working for a living

Role on CAP reform

So with all these subsidies we must getting really cheap food

[parrot of doom]

We actually get very cheap food. Its never been cheaper.