Clyde Challenger - free to a good home?

[Willhire89]

Clyde Challenger has been abandoned after being damaged off the Azores

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38944629

What happens when it washes up somewhere or if in calmer conditions it can be taken in tow?

Is it then the property of the salvager? Do they get reimbursed by the insurers?

[markmullen]

I understand she's been scuttled sadly.

I was hoping to be on that leg but moving house got in the way.

[ecsrobin]

markmullen said:

I understand she's been scuttled sadly.

I was hoping to be on that leg but moving house got in the way.

This kept me busy for a couple of days in work.

It has indeed been scuttled. I don't think anyone fancied towing a damaged yacht 400nm to nearest land fall.

A better article can be found here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/11/fourtee...

Edited by ecsrobin on Sunday 12th February 18:11

[anonymous-user]

markmullen said:

I understand she's been scuttled sadly.

I was hoping to be on that leg but moving house got in the way.

How would they go about scuttling her?

[ecsrobin]

Inkyfingers said:

markmullen said:

I understand she's been scuttled sadly.

I was hoping to be on that leg but moving house got in the way.

How would they go about scuttling her?

Open the seacocks and pull out some bungs.

[anonymous-user]

I assumed as much, but was kind of hoping the Navy might have sunk it!

[ecsrobin]

Inkyfingers said:

I assumed as much, but was kind of hoping the Navy might have sunk it!

Being fibreglass shooting it would just split it up into lots of floating debris.

[SystemParanoia]

Why couldn't HMS dragon tow it, and present a suitable hefty bill to the insurers.

bolster her majesty coffers a little

[Some Gump]

Always wondered where the bills go for these big adventure sport rescues.

Mountains with helicopters, 1,000 mile round trips in huge boats with god knows how much salary on board: not for a second questioning whether it's right to go 500 mikes in the wrong direction to save 14 people, but those people put themselves there for fun. In other sports, recovery etc would be the entrant's bill..

The cost must be min 10's probably hundreds of thousands - do they have insurance for this sort of thing? It'd be a real kick in the teeth if it was like "you lost the race, boats gone and now we're having your house too"..

[SystemParanoia]

Some Gump said:

Always wondered where the bills go for these big adventure sport rescues.

Mountains with helicopters, 1,000 mile round trips in huge boats with god knows how much salary on board: not for a second questioning whether it's right to go 500 mikes in the wrong direction to save 14 people, but those people put themselves there for fun. In other sports, recovery etc would be the entrant's bill..

The cost must be min 10's probably hundreds of thousands - do they have insurance for this sort of thing? It'd be a real kick in the teeth if it was like "you lost the race, boats gone and now we're having your house too"..

Crew 191
Endurance 7000 nm.

so they would have used AT LEAST ( going at flanking speed isnt going to be very efficient ) 1/7th of their fuel doing this

A news article online states that its fuel tanks are the size of a half full Olympic pool

Full : 2,500,000L
1/2 : 1,250,000L

Rescue Mission would therefore use at least 178,571L

Heavy fuel oil looks to cost about $300 per tonne.. with one tone containing 1,100L they would have used a minimum of 162 Tonnes of fuel for the trip so circa $48,600, over £39,000 in fuel!!

but the salaries.. much bigger numbers there, and the wear and tear / Consumption of service items

Edit : Math fail

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 13th February 09:56

[anonymous-user]

SystemParanoia said:

Some Gump said:

Always wondered where the bills go for these big adventure sport rescues.

Mountains with helicopters, 1,000 mile round trips in huge boats with god knows how much salary on board: not for a second questioning whether it's right to go 500 mikes in the wrong direction to save 14 people, but those people put themselves there for fun. In other sports, recovery etc would be the entrant's bill..

The cost must be min 10's probably hundreds of thousands - do they have insurance for this sort of thing? It'd be a real kick in the teeth if it was like "you lost the race, boats gone and now we're having your house too"..

Crew 191
Endurance 7000 nm.

so they would have used AT LEAST ( going at flanking speed isnt going to be very efficient ) 1/7th of their fuel doing this

A news article online states that its fuel tanks are the size of a half full Olympic pool

Full : 2,500,000L
1/2 : 1,250,000L

Rescue Mission would therefore use at least 178,571L

Heavy fuel oil looks to cost about $300 per tonne.. with one tone containing 35,000L they would have used a minimum of 5 Tonnes of fuel for the trip so circa $1500, just over £1000 in fuel.

Not a much as I expected to be fair

but the salaries.. much bigger numbers, and the wear and tear / Consumption of service items

1 ton of HFO is more like 1100litres per ton, not 35000l.

[SystemParanoia]

bulldong said:

1 ton of HFO is more like 1100litres per ton, not 35000l.

Whoops!! Edited

Just thought.. as an addendum..

Would the Dragon have used its Pair of Lynx helicopters in a SAR flight pattern to locate the yacht BVR ?

lots more £X,000's to the bill if so!



Excuse for a pic

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 13th February 10:24

[ecsrobin]

SystemParanoia said:

bulldong said:

1 ton of HFO is more like 1100litres per ton, not 35000l.

Whoops!! Edited

Just thought.. as an addendum..

Would the Dragon have used its Pair of Lynx helicopters in a SAR flight pattern to locate the yacht BVR ?

lots more £X,000's to the bill if so!

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 13th February 10:10

For this job a C130 from brize norton was used, then a KC135 from mildenhall followed by further aircraft to keep on scene coordination.

[RDM]

When we're counting the cost of this mission are we assuming
That if when there is no ongoing rescue the ship would have
Turned off it's engines and stopped paying the crew?

[SystemParanoia]

RDM said:

When we're counting the cost of this mission are we assuming
That if when there is no ongoing rescue the ship would have
Turned off it's engines and stopped paying the crew?

Not at all, but assuming all costs resulting from the moment DRAGON received diversion orders from its routine deployment, and all assets mobilised to assist, to the moment it is officially stood down from this new Mission could be itemised and sent to the insurers.

for hypothetical reasoning of course... And it would be interesting to know how much this rescue mission cost me personally, 12p? £1?

[DamienB]

Daily Telegraph said:

HMS Dragon Captain Craig Wood said he was "proud" of the actions of the seamen who operated the rescue boats and praised the "really professional" Challenger sailors.

He said: "It was pretty miserable conditions and pretty marginal conditions for what we wanted to do. This was about as challenging a we would like to put them (sea boat teams) out in.

"We rewrote a coupe of pages of the textbook today but it could not have gone any better. Their families know they are safe in the hands of the Royal Navy.

Rather sounds like a bloody good show by the Dragon crew. Particularly as another ship had made 3 unsuccessful attempts at rescue.

[markmullen]

Not forgetting that, in the very unlikely event that the roles were reversed, the yacht crew would have given aid to a stricken warship, for it is the way of the sea to look after one another.

[ecsrobin]

DamienB said:

Rather sounds like a bloody good show by the Dragon crew. Particularly as another ship had made 3 unsuccessful attempts at rescue.

That other vessel was the CPO Finland



I think having 3 attempts at rescuing them is pretty good going considering they don't have ribs to facilitate a rescue like dragon, it's also probably a lot less manouverable.

[Markbarry1977]

I would imagine that in the case of the navy they could chalk it up to a valuable training exercise.

Shame all the rescue choppers have gone civie, I was looking forward to being recovered by winch on my maritime survival course last year but since it's all now civie run we don't get to do a live winch out.

[Steve_D]

Markbarry1977 said:

I would imagine that in the case of the navy they could chalk it up to a valuable training exercise.

Beat me too it.
Would think this rates very high on the training scale as so much is at stake. Beats recovering a waterlogged dummy.
Also brings into play all the other planning and logistics tasks that would not be present in a simple 'Man overboard' shout.

If the Captain was on the ball he would have assigned the whole task to a junior officer and stood in the wings to watch.

Steve