New 4.2 brake kit: SHPubs/Tower View
New 4.2 brake kit: SHPubs/Tower View
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Tam Lin

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694 posts

282 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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Was down in Crawley yesterday, and the day rapidly turned into a who's who of the TVR aftermarket world: It was great to meet Mark Adams, Tim Lamont, Steve Heath and all at Austec!

Steve's car had an interesting prototype front brake upgade, which I hope we'll hear more about from him or Tower View..Interesting to have more alternatives for us 4.2 owners: of course Joolz has been offering an upgrade path for a while.

Oh, and the car's a lot smoother in traffic now, thanks to Mark and Paul

HarryW

16,015 posts

298 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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Missed those bits popped in towwards hte end of the day to se Mark.
Tam I assume yours was one of the two 4.2 I heard about .

Harry

kojak

4,547 posts

282 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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What have you had done Sean?

Tam Lin

Original Poster:

694 posts

282 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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kojak said:
What have you had done Sean?


YHM..

BTW If anyone has info about how the "other" 4.2 got on, I'd be jolly interested.

joospeed

4,473 posts

307 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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Mail me aswell Sean old fella

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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The other 4.2 decided to throw a big end or a crank bearing. started complaining after the first set up run so the session was abandoned. The car is now at Tower View waiting for me to take it apart to see what the damage is and what I'm going to do moving forward.

Several different ideas being considered but all depends on how repairable the original engine is I'm afraid and budgets. Good job I still have the Griff so I can take a bit of time and good job I have most of the info for the Cerbie book already.

C'est la vie...

joospeed

4,473 posts

307 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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Shame that car seems to have gone downhill since i stopped servicing it

I have a 4.2 engine in my workshop if you want to make me an offer steve?

2 sheds

2,529 posts

313 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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Steve showed me some of his new products, quality stuff !!
Hopefully you "caught" the engine problem in time Steve?

simonsparrow

1,599 posts

291 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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Sad to hear about that Steve, yours is about the only other really high mileage Cerbera I know of. Hope you can get it fixed ok.

Would it be undiplomatic to ask when the bible will be out?

HarryW

16,015 posts

298 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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simonsparrow said:
...Would it be undiplomatic to ask when the bible will be out?

Even more undiplomatic , forgive me I suppose there will be a chapter on bottom end strip and rebuild in this one

Harry

HarryW

16,015 posts

298 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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Out on interest what was the base line power run figure before the bottom end decided to get vocal .

Harry

GreenV8S

31,014 posts

313 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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I guess this is a problem that could have happened at any time but surely it is no coincidence that it happened on the rollers. Any idea what made it happen then and there?

joospeed

4,473 posts

307 months

Friday 25th March 2005
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What with steve's car and njw's car .. have austec just employed an engine rebuilder?

*sowwy guys, didn't mean it honest*

HarryW

16,015 posts

298 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Mine must have had best part of a fifty runs at Austec over the last couple of years, no problems so far . I think it fair to day it is one of those things.
TBH its no more stressfull than how I drive the car normally .

Harry

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Not sure. Rolling roads are more aggressive than caning simply because they are trying to simulate road conditions and that has to include air flow. The bigger the engine the more air flow needed.

As a result the car does get hotter/warmer than it would normally experience and this will find any weak link. It was also one of the warmer days since getting it back on the road.

One interesting fact is that the air con pump had seized and I am wondering if this may have contributed to the failure as it is driven by the crank. It seized and this was enough to nip the bearing. I'll find out when I take the engine apart but if it is the crank bearing, then that might well explain what triggered the whole event.

The dials were indicating about 265 bhp but I am not sure you can read anything into that as the run was aborted.

Yes it is annoying especially after all the work myself and Tower View had put in, but crap happens and life would be dull without. I just wish I could organise when the crap happens. ...

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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simonsparrow said:


Would it be undiplomatic to ask when the bible will be out?


No... mid summer. I reckon. I'm writing up the material now.

kojak

4,547 posts

282 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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shpub said:

simonsparrow said:


Would it be undiplomatic to ask when the bible will be out?



No... mid summer. I reckon. I'm writing up the material now.




Great news Steve.

Tam Lin

Original Poster:

694 posts

282 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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shpub said:
The other 4.2 decided to throw a big end or a crank bearing. started complaining after the first set up run so the session was abandoned.

C'est la vie...


very sorry to hear that..mine got as far as home before either the clutch or the slave went..and I need to find out why it was showing +37% adaptive enrichment before the first power run..maybe I ought to get a Griff as well.

joospeed

4,473 posts

307 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Tam Lin said:

shpub said:
The other 4.2 decided to throw a big end or a crank bearing. started complaining after the first set up run so the session was abandoned.

C'est la vie...



very sorry to hear that..mine got as far as home before either the clutch or the slave went..and I need to find out why it was showing +37% adaptive enrichment before the first power run..maybe I ought to get a Griff as well.


indeed, that shows a very obvious fault which should have been addressed before any mapping. the 4.2s never get that far out as the fuelling is very close already .. once the fault is cured you'll probably find it needs remapping all over again as the ecu will be compensating for a bad map on a good car as opposed to a good map on a faulty car which is what you have got now I think, it'll be disguising the fault now

hope you've got deep pockets

Mark Adams

358 posts

289 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Actually Joolz, the "very obvious fault which should have been addressed before any mapping" was a misfire caused by an excessively weak mixture.

Frankly I am disappointed to see a comment of this type from someone of your standing. Since the car is maintained by you, I would have expected it to be in good shape.

With regard to the adaptations, they are not at all unusual in an un-mapped car in our experience. The Cerbie in question was running so weak that it was misfiring, which causes a large amount of Oxygen to appear in the exhaust. Hence you will see abnormal adaptations in the map.

Where the car is properly set up, then 12% or less is very good. The adaptation values will normally wander around, simply due to the fact that throttle angle metered systems have no other way of responding to the normal changes that occur due to the aging of the engine.