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If it matters to your right foot, then the F4T should be the one under consideration for the GT4.
The F4T is more powerful and has more torque than the NA6 equivalent, granting the 718 considerable 'right-foot' advantages over the 981, and the same performance advantages too in the S variants.
An F4T GT4, then, would have the same measurable power and speed advantages over the incumbent NA6 one.
There is no objective measurement of quality of sound, so that argument is neither here nor there.
The F4T is more powerful and has more torque than the NA6 equivalent, granting the 718 considerable 'right-foot' advantages over the 981, and the same performance advantages too in the S variants.
An F4T GT4, then, would have the same measurable power and speed advantages over the incumbent NA6 one.
There is no objective measurement of quality of sound, so that argument is neither here nor there.
This is something that I'm not clear about 
What does throttle response, lag etc, matter, in the overall performance measurement of a car?
If one car laps a track 5 seconds quicker than another, what does throttle response or lag matter, objectively?
Or we just talking about subjective preferences here, some people prefer the more (immediate?) throttle response of NA over the (delayed?) throttle response of forced induction?
Genuinely curious on this point.
What does throttle response, lag etc, matter, in the overall performance measurement of a car?
If one car laps a track 5 seconds quicker than another, what does throttle response or lag matter, objectively?
Or we just talking about subjective preferences here, some people prefer the more (immediate?) throttle response of NA over the (delayed?) throttle response of forced induction?
Genuinely curious on this point.
Next GT4 to be F6 also confirmed here, by Porsche CEO. So that's from 2 different sources with the company...
Ignore the headline...
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/19032/porsche-ceo-con...
Ignore the headline...
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/19032/porsche-ceo-con...
Tim bo said:
This is something that I'm not clear about
What does throttle response, lag etc, matter, in the overall performance measurement of a car?
If one car laps a track 5 seconds quicker than another, what does throttle response or lag matter, objectively?
Or we just talking about subjective preferences here, some people prefer the more (immediate?) throttle response of NA over the (delayed?) throttle response of forced induction?
Genuinely curious on this point.
Not everyone wants a car to be 0.1 of a second quicker than another, hence the manual vs PDK gearbox differences of opinion as another example. It's about, connectivity with the engine for me with regard to NASP vs turbo'd power. I don't want a throttle pedal on a big elastic band, I want it to be snappy and sharp. It's the immediacy and sensitivity that you can't get with a turbo'd engine that I absolutely love.What does throttle response, lag etc, matter, in the overall performance measurement of a car?
If one car laps a track 5 seconds quicker than another, what does throttle response or lag matter, objectively?
Or we just talking about subjective preferences here, some people prefer the more (immediate?) throttle response of NA over the (delayed?) throttle response of forced induction?
Genuinely curious on this point.
Tim bo said:
That answers the question, thanks. It's a question of preferences, not objective performance.
A faster engine response will give increased performance, so all other things being equal the turbo'd car would be slower due to it taking extra time for the engine to come on song. However, things are never equal and in the case of a 718 vs 981 there is more power and torque in the 718 so it would be quicker over a lap of a circuit.As most 718 owners do you're using the same old "faster = better" argument but it's not that simple. The way the speed is achieved has a major impact on the way the car feels to drive.
Look at the relative desirability of a 911R (NASP, RWD and manual) versus a 911 Turbo S (turbo, 4WD and PDK).
Twinfan said:
As most 718 owners do you're using the same old "faster = better" argument but it's not that simple. .
Not once have I said that faster = better. Nor do I believe that faster = better. I simply queried the objective measurement of throttle response of NA over FI in terms of out and out performance. If I believed that faster = better then I would spec PDK over manual. I don't, I spec manual because that is entirely my subjective preference for how I want to drive a car.
But then, I suppose you could start up a whole semantic discussion surrounding the word 'better' in terms of subjective preference and objective performance; two entirely different things, but to both of which the word 'better' could apply.
anonymous said:
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No, that is the very point I am making, not that I am missing. See above Driving 'experience' is entirely subjective, as you say, and not objective.
Edited by Tim bo on Wednesday 8th March 14:51
Tim bo said:
No, that is the very point I am making, not that I am missing. See above
Driving 'experience' is entirely subjective, as you say, and not objective.
If that is the point you are trying to make, you shouldn't have started with this: Driving 'experience' is entirely subjective, as you say, and not objective.
Edited by Tim bo on Wednesday 8th March 14:50
Tim bo said:
If it matters to your right foot, then the F4T should be the one under consideration for the GT4.
The F4T is more powerful and has more torque than the NA6 equivalent, granting the 718 considerable 'right-foot' advantages over the 981, and the same performance advantages too in the S variants.
The F4T is more powerful and has more torque than the NA6 equivalent, granting the 718 considerable 'right-foot' advantages over the 981, and the same performance advantages too in the S variants.
Can't be much clearer than this...
Speaking at the Geneva Motor Show, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume confirmed that there was no way back for the company’s fabled naturally aspirated boxer engines and that the company’s engineers were focussed on turbocharging for its range of sports cars. However, Blume confirmed that Porsche’s engineers will continue to develop a naturally aspirated engine for the GT3 and GT3 RS for as long as it can meet with emissions legislation. The next generation of Cayman GT4 will also continue to shun forced induction in favour of a naturally aspirated flat-six engine.
Speaking at the Geneva Motor Show, Porsche CEO Oliver Blume confirmed that there was no way back for the company’s fabled naturally aspirated boxer engines and that the company’s engineers were focussed on turbocharging for its range of sports cars. However, Blume confirmed that Porsche’s engineers will continue to develop a naturally aspirated engine for the GT3 and GT3 RS for as long as it can meet with emissions legislation. The next generation of Cayman GT4 will also continue to shun forced induction in favour of a naturally aspirated flat-six engine.
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