Who owns the Data my car produces
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its a scary world.
googling turned up this:
Under Section 3 of the Data Protection Acts, you have a right to find out, free of charge, if a person (an individual or an organisation) holds information about you. You also have a right to be given a description of the information and to be told the purpose(s) for holding your information.
which aligns with what I thought.
I would definitely try it if I had such a modern car to see what I get.
googling turned up this:
Under Section 3 of the Data Protection Acts, you have a right to find out, free of charge, if a person (an individual or an organisation) holds information about you. You also have a right to be given a description of the information and to be told the purpose(s) for holding your information.
which aligns with what I thought.
I would definitely try it if I had such a modern car to see what I get.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
This is the subject of a huge debate at the moment within ACFO (Assoc of Car Fleet Operators). It has some pretty serious ramifications legally.
Indeed. If the information can identify someone as a person, then it is probable that it will be controlled under the current Data Protection Act. This give the data controller and processor all sorts of obligations and you all sorts of rights. 'A legal minefield' doesn't do the problem justice.
drdel said:
I own my car yet the manufacturer has installed a data card which enables them to monitor all manner of variables.
Suppose I don't want my servicing automatically booked etc.
Suppose I want to see that data (manufacturers generally wont release it).
My questions is who owns the Data?
Are you referring to Ecall?Suppose I don't want my servicing automatically booked etc.
Suppose I want to see that data (manufacturers generally wont release it).
My questions is who owns the Data?
It's to be in all new cars from next year but some cars have it already.
It consists of a microphone in the car along with other vehicle data connected to a 2-way mobile phone link back to the authorities.
The idea is that the cars impact sensors can initiate a call to 999, the emergency services can talk to you, and they can hear your reply. Ecall transmits your location and they can then send help.
I've often wondered about this because I use bluetooth to make phone calls from my phone when in the car, and indeed it accesses the phonebook on my phone which is very handy when I'm driving, but do the car manufacturers download the contents of my phone? What happens when I trade the car in? is the info stored in the car for downloading at the next service by the dealer?
rich888 said:
I've often wondered about this because I use bluetooth to make phone calls from my phone when in the car, and indeed it accesses the phonebook on my phone which is very handy when I'm driving, but do the car manufacturers download the contents of my phone? What happens when I trade the car in? is the info stored in the car for downloading at the next service by the dealer?
Some cars allow you to download your phonebook to the car itself. It's not automatic unless you specify it, but I suspect that one of the previous drivers of the rental 2008 on my drive didn't quite understand how I could have rang his/her mum as the driver's phone book was stored in the car.It goes without saying that I deleted the entire phonebook as soon as I realised the contacts weren't mine.
davepoth said:
eldar said:
They can identify the car?
There's a good argument that the car isn't personally identifiable information - if it was, the police would have a much easier time with trying to work out who was driving a car at the time of the alleged offence...0000 said:
I heard relatively recently from legal-types at work that it's now clear that a MAC address must now be considered personal data (seems odd I know, but that's why it came up). Which almost certainly implies any identifier for a car also indicates personal data.
Registration number certainly counts as personal data at my employer. I'm based in the UK but they are a large German automotive supplier so policies combine both UK and German requirements for data protection. 0000 said:
davepoth said:
eldar said:
They can identify the car?
There's a good argument that the car isn't personally identifiable information - if it was, the police would have a much easier time with trying to work out who was driving a car at the time of the alleged offence...You have to go back to the definition
The definition of personal data is data relating to a living individual who can be identified
from that data (i.e. Name) or
from that data and other information in the possession of, or is likely to come into the possession of, the data controller
In other words, the data controller needs to be able to identify you in some way (have your name) and then any data that uniquely (or even probably with a high degree of confidence) links through to that person is pi.
ICO said:
Simply because you do not know the name of an individual does not mean that you cannot identify that individual. Using a MAC address or other unique identifier to track a device with the purpose to single them out or treat them differently (eg by offering specific products, services or content) will involve the processing of personal data.
https://ico.org.uk/media/1560691/wi-fi-location-analytics-guidance.pdfDave Finney said:
Ecall?
It's to be in all new cars from next year
It consists of a microphone in the car along with other vehicle data connected to a 2-way mobile phone link back to the authorities.
The idea is that the cars impact sensors can initiate a call to 999, the emergency services can talk to you, and they can hear your reply. Ecall transmits your location and they can then send help.
Can it be disabled for those who want privacy?It's to be in all new cars from next year
It consists of a microphone in the car along with other vehicle data connected to a 2-way mobile phone link back to the authorities.
The idea is that the cars impact sensors can initiate a call to 999, the emergency services can talk to you, and they can hear your reply. Ecall transmits your location and they can then send help.
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