So why does Easter move ?
So why does Easter move ?
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tubbystu

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3,846 posts

289 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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If 25th December is fixed as the birth date of Jesus, why does the date for Easter drift about over a 5 week period ? - I presume its to do with the moon, but why ???


And why do the (Greek) Orthodox church celebrate it a week later ?

Over to the PH massive........

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

277 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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I've got news for you, 25th of December is not the birth of Jesus either, that has been moved a few times too over time. At the moment the most accurate estimate is January 6th, as far as we can work out.

Balmoral Green

42,561 posts

277 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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tubbystu said:

And why do the (Greek) Orthodox church celebrate it a week later ?
As I said, January 6th, do the math.

tubbystu

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Saturday 26th March 2005
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I wasn't attempting to suggest 25th Dec was real date, just that it has been fixed as the birth date, so why does the supposed death date move ?

ofcorsa

3,546 posts

272 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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january 6th would be an acccurate guess if we all believed he was born at all

Pies

13,116 posts

285 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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A bit of googling found the following


"One interesting aspect of Easter lies in how its calendar date varies from year to year. The early church merely celebrated Easter around the same time as the Passover feast, which was based on the Hebraic lunar calendar. However, a controversy arose during the fourth century A.D. over which date to celebrate it. While some churches desired to keep Easter in relation to the Passover, other churches objected, since Christ rose on a Sunday and to continue to date it in the customary way might make it fall on a different day of the week. In 327 A.D., Emperor Constantine sought to resolve the issue during the Council of Nicaea. Eventually, the Council ruled that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal (Spring) Equinox. As a result of this decree at the Council of Nicaea, the Easter holiday became even more bound to the pagan rituals forcibly associated with it, causing the two to become ever more mixed together.

For this reason does the actual date of Easter fall on a different set of dates between March and April; since the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox comes at different times every year, so the first Sunday after the full moon comes at a different time every year. But to this day, some people still celebrate Easter on a different date, owing to a difference in calendars. Some churches, such as the Eastern Orthodox Church, calculate the date of Easter according to the Julian calendar, the older version of the currently used Gregorian calendar. Because of this, they usually observe Easter a week or so later than most other churches. "

Ferg

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286 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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ofcorsa said:
january 6th would be an acccurate guess if we all believed he was born at all


It would still be an accurate guess if just some of us believed he was born at all

billynomates

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265 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Mixture of Pagan rituals and Christanity.

First full moon since the

Who cares ------its bollox anyway.

tubbystu

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Saturday 26th March 2005
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Pies said:
A bit of googling found the following


"One interesting aspect of Easter lies in how its calendar date varies from year to year. The early church merely celebrated Easter around the same time as the Passover feast, which was based on the Hebraic lunar calendar. However, a controversy arose during the fourth century A.D. over which date to celebrate it. While some churches desired to keep Easter in relation to the Passover, other churches objected, since Christ rose on a Sunday and to continue to date it in the customary way might make it fall on a different day of the week. In 327 A.D., Emperor Constantine sought to resolve the issue during the Council of Nicaea. Eventually, the Council ruled that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal (Spring) Equinox. As a result of this decree at the Council of Nicaea, the Easter holiday became even more bound to the pagan rituals forcibly associated with it, causing the two to become ever more mixed together.

For this reason does the actual date of Easter fall on a different set of dates between March and April; since the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox comes at different times every year, so the first Sunday after the full moon comes at a different time every year. But to this day, some people still celebrate Easter on a different date, owing to a difference in calendars. Some churches, such as the Eastern Orthodox Church, calculate the date of Easter according to the Julian calendar, the older version of the currently used Gregorian calendar. Because of this, they usually observe Easter a week or so later than most other churches. "


Cheers

tubbystu

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Saturday 26th March 2005
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Pies said:
A bit of googling found the following


"One interesting aspect of Easter lies in how its calendar date varies from year to year. The early church merely celebrated Easter around the same time as the Passover feast, which was based on the Hebraic lunar calendar. However, a controversy arose during the fourth century A.D. over which date to celebrate it. While some churches desired to keep Easter in relation to the Passover, other churches objected, since Christ rose on a Sunday and to continue to date it in the customary way might make it fall on a different day of the week. In 327 A.D., Emperor Constantine sought to resolve the issue during the Council of Nicaea. Eventually, the Council ruled that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal (Spring) Equinox. As a result of this decree at the Council of Nicaea, the Easter holiday became even more bound to the pagan rituals forcibly associated with it, causing the two to become ever more mixed together.

For this reason does the actual date of Easter fall on a different set of dates between March and April; since the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox comes at different times every year, so the first Sunday after the full moon comes at a different time every year. But to this day, some people still celebrate Easter on a different date, owing to a difference in calendars. Some churches, such as the Eastern Orthodox Church, calculate the date of Easter according to the Julian calendar, the older version of the currently used Gregorian calendar. Because of this, they usually observe Easter a week or so later than most other churches. "


Cheers

Big_M

5,602 posts

292 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Balmoral Green said:
At the moment the most accurate estimate is January 6th, as far as we can work out.
Elvis was born on January 6th!!!

agent006

12,058 posts

293 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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Balmoral Green said:
I've got news for you, 25th of December is not the birth of Jesus....


...because he never existed?

alexkp

16,484 posts

273 months

Saturday 26th March 2005
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agent006 said:

Balmoral Green said:
I've got news for you, 25th of December is not the birth of Jesus....



...because he never existed?



Oh he did exist alright - but the was a militant who stood against the Romans and all that the religion in his name has represented ever since.

The real Jesus would have been horified at how history has remembered him.

ScoobZ

6,578 posts

277 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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So Easter "Sunday" lands on a sunday perhaps, and not a wednesday?

polarbert

17,936 posts

260 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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all that jesus marlarkey is all a fairytale to me

ErnestM

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296 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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anonymous said:
[redacted]


Barrabas was the militant. Jesus stood against the Romans alright but in an ethereal, mystical way that the Romans didn't care about. The only reason they crucified Jesus and not Barrabas was at the behest of the (jewish) population (allowing them to choose between two criminals to celebrate passover).

In all probability, Jesus was real. Also in all probability his story has been exagerated out of all proportion.


ErnestM

BrianTheYank

7,585 posts

279 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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You all are mistaken. Its because the Easter Bunny wants to keep us guessing so he doesnt get caught.

sadako

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267 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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ofcorsa said:
january 6th would be an acccurate guess if we all believed he was born at all


Because all lambs are born in the middle of winter

king arthur

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290 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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ErnestM said:

In all probability, Jesus was real. Also in all probability his story has been exagerated out of all proportion.


ErnestM



Yes, I'd go along with that.

Consider this: these days we can capture events, record sounds, transmit words and pictures across the globe instantaneously to billions of people. The instant something happens somewhere in the world, we can all see it with our own eyes and hear it with our own ears. We can look back and see for ourselves what happened last week, last month or last year.

And yet we still get urban myths that people believe to be true.

So what are the chances of the occurances of 2000 years ago being reported accurately?

>> Edited by king arthur on Sunday 27th March 12:33

nervous

24,050 posts

259 months

Sunday 27th March 2005
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personally, i subscribe to the bunny theory. hes still not been here yet