Household finances 2017-18
Household finances 2017-18
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PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

187 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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Rent - no change

Council tax - up 3.3%.

Water rates - up 3.3%.

Electricity - up 13.8%.



Not a happy bunny.


williaa68

1,540 posts

196 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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Oil prices are on the way down but I'd be surprised if inflation didn't end up well past 3% at some point this year.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Rent - no change

Council tax - up 3.3%.

Water rates - up 3.3%.

Electricity - up 13.8%.



Not a happy bunny.
What about your salary?

Then look at the net £ up or down of this lot plus the salary growth.


Or you could cut out costs or reduce controllable costs to manage down your personal inflation.

Water - do you have a water meter? If not get one fitted you will save big time
Electric - do you leave TVs red standby light on? Well IIRC it uses c75% of the energy as if it was turned on so switch it off at the plug instead. Do you have old fridge freezers then a new one could A+++ rating could save you a lot.
Have you considered solar panels?
Do you have LED lights? If not change them.
Cook food in a slow cooker as much as possible will massively reduce the costs.

silentbrown

10,920 posts

146 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
Electric - do you leave TVs red standby light on? Well IIRC it uses c75% of the energy as if it was turned on so switch it off at the plug instead. Do you have old fridge freezers then a new one could A+++ rating could save you a lot.
On any even vaguely modern TV, that's balls. This is a bit out of date but not too far off: http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/television/feature/...

TV's usually aren't bad, but things like laser printers can use a lot of power even when idle. Basic rule of thumb is if you something's hot then its using a fair amount of power -but ideally get yourself one of these and actually measure it smilehttp://www.reuk.co.uk/wordpress/energy-efficiency/...

Fridge-freezer costs about £60-80 a year to run. Even if your new model is twice as efficient you're still looking at a 10-year payback period.

The Moose

23,679 posts

239 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Rent - no change

Council tax - up 3.3%.

Water rates - up 3.3%.

Electricity - up 13.8%.



Not a happy bunny.
Income?

RDMcG

20,875 posts

237 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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the old Dickens line:

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen [pounds] nineteen [shillings] and six [pence], result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

PurpleMoonlight

Original Poster:

22,362 posts

187 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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The Moose said:
Income?
Down 5% thanks to the Dividend tax.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Down 5% thanks to the Dividend tax.
Anyone paying idividend tax has had years to ensure all investments are in ISAs thus meaning it's an irrelevant tax.


Actually if you own your own company can you put those shares into an ISA too?

essayer

10,410 posts

224 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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For the majority of small business owners it's not an irrelevant tax smile

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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essayer said:
For the majority of small business owners it's not an irrelevant tax smile
Can you put the shares you own in your own company into an ISA? If so irrelevant tax.

JBM78

383 posts

210 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
Anyone paying idividend tax has had years to ensure all investments are in ISAs thus meaning it's an irrelevant tax.
What????

Anyone taking more than £5k (soon to be £2k) dividends will have an additional tax liability since April 2016. And unless the shares are on a stock exchange somewhere they can't be in an ISA.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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JBM78 said:
Welshbeef said:
Anyone paying idividend tax has had years to ensure all investments are in ISAs thus meaning it's an irrelevant tax.
What????

Anyone taking more than £5k (soon to be £2k) dividends will have an additional tax liability since April 2016. And unless the shares are on a stock exchange somewhere they can't be in an ISA.
So the question should be how much and how complex to list on the AIM market?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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JBM78 said:
Welshbeef said:
Anyone paying idividend tax has had years to ensure all investments are in ISAs thus meaning it's an irrelevant tax.
What????

Anyone taking more than £5k (soon to be £2k) dividends will have an additional tax liability since April 2016. And unless the shares are on a stock exchange somewhere they can't be in an ISA.
http://forums.contractoruk.com/accounting-legal/77595-can-i-buy-my-own-ltd-co-shares-through-stocks-shares-isa.html

There you go.

JBM78

383 posts

210 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
There are massive ongoing costs associated with floating, for a small owner-managed company it's a stupid idea.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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JBM78 said:
There are massive ongoing costs associated with floating, for a small owner-managed company it's a stupid idea.
What is the breakeven point in profits for his to be viable? Purely out of interest.

silentbrown

10,920 posts

146 months

Sunday 12th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
What is the breakeven point in profits for his to be viable?
I don't think the question makes much sense. When you float the company you're making a significant proportion of the shares tradeable. So you'll no longer 'own' the company in full. Dividends (on shares you can put in an ISA) get paid to ALL shareholders, not just you.


Mattt

16,664 posts

248 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Down 5% thanks to the Dividend tax.
Anyone paying idividend tax has had years to ensure all investments are in ISAs thus meaning it's an irrelevant tax.


Actually if you own your own company can you put those shares into an ISA too?
And you're really a finance director?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Mattt said:
Welshbeef said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Down 5% thanks to the Dividend tax.
Anyone paying idividend tax has had years to ensure all investments are in ISAs thus meaning it's an irrelevant tax.


Actually if you own your own company can you put those shares into an ISA too?
And you're really a finance director?
http://forums.contractoruk.com/accounting-legal/77595-can-i-buy-my-own-ltd-co-shares-through-stocks-shares-isa.html

There you go


You missed the boat that avenue is closed off - awaiting what value or costs are there to make this viable

PurpleMoonlight

Original Poster:

22,362 posts

187 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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Welshbeef said:
http://forums.contractoruk.com/accounting-legal/77...

There you go


You missed the boat that avenue is closed off - awaiting what value or costs are there to make this viable
You linked to a forum thread that confirms it can't be done...

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

228 months

Monday 13th March 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Welshbeef said:
http://forums.contractoruk.com/accounting-legal/77...

There you go


You missed the boat that avenue is closed off - awaiting what value or costs are there to make this viable
You linked to a forum thread that confirms it can't be done...
I know - hence point closed.