Warrantywise rejecting claim
Warrantywise rejecting claim
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rayyan171

Original Poster:

1,298 posts

123 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Hi guys

Our X5 needed some parts to be fitted under warranty. There was some breather pipes and oil feed lines that the turbos needed, and the car was also sagging N/S/R and needed a new air suspension strut. BMW billed approx £1k in total for everything and we went through the process of claiming before repairing, only for them to completely reject it due to wear and tear!

What can I do in this situation? I paid quite the sum for the warranty and am not sure why they are leaving us in the blue...

Thanks
Rayyan

KungFuPanda

4,641 posts

200 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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What do the terms and conditions of the actual warranty you have with them say?

Normally suspension components are deemed a wear and tear item. Regards the turbo, they may cover the turbo itself against failure but not any of the ancillaries.

TheLuke

2,218 posts

171 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Why people even buy these warranties is beyond me.


When you whittle them down all they cover is "spontaneous" damage rofl which never ever happens, something always has a reason why it goes

Wear and tear isnt covered, if something goes and takes another thing with it its not covered.

Its the next "ppi" scandal waiting to happen.

SWoll

22,843 posts

288 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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KungFuPanda said:
What do the terms and conditions of the actual warranty you have with them say?

Normally suspension components are deemed a wear and tear item. Regards the turbo, they may cover the turbo itself against failure but not any of the ancillaries.
Exactly this.

SWoll

22,843 posts

288 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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TheLuke said:
Why people even buy these warranties is beyond me.


When you whittle them down all they cover is "spontaneous" damage rofl which never ever happens, something always has a reason why it goes

Wear and tear isnt covered, if something goes and takes another thing with it its not covered.

Its the next "ppi" scandal waiting to happen.
I've used warrantywise before and as long as you are realistic about what is covered (unlike the OP) they're absolutely fine IME.

I had a 5 series that had a coil unit/fuel injector issue and they paid out for all of the parts and labour to repair it without issue.


rayyan171

Original Poster:

1,298 posts

123 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I did just take a look at the warranty and it doesn't state any suspension items unfortunately. However, we may have leverage as we had paid quite a lot for a health check at the local BMW dealer to check for an oil leak. They had noticed that the air spring was frayed, however they never mentioned it whatsoever until when we noticed that it was sagging at the back and then went on to give us the complete health check of the car - nearly a month later! Will probably have to fess up but I see why the warranty doesn't cover. BMW warranty is triple the price and it wouldn't have covered this at all either.

As for the turbos, the warranty does cover all moving parts - whether the breather pipes and lines come under that I do not know. It is quite vague.

VonSenger

2,465 posts

219 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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TheLuke said:
Why people even buy these warranties is beyond me.


When you whittle them down all they cover is "spontaneous" damage rofl which never ever happens, something always has a reason why it goes

Wear and tear isnt covered, if something goes and takes another thing with it its not covered.

Its the next "ppi" scandal waiting to happen.
I agree. Total fking scam, amazes me that people still take it out.

sandman77

3,374 posts

168 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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rayyan171 said:
As for the turbos, the warranty does cover all moving parts - whether the breather pipes and lines come under that I do not know. It is quite vague.
Do they move? Nope? Not covered.

ctdctd

499 posts

228 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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sandman77 said:
rayyan171 said:
As for the turbos, the warranty does cover all moving parts - whether the breather pipes and lines come under that I do not know. It is quite vague.
Do they move? Nope? Not covered.
It's a car - everything moves :-)

Dan_M5

616 posts

173 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Bmw warranty would of covered the suspension if you had the comprehensive cover.

Sump

5,512 posts

197 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Here is a question. Before starting the work did you contact WW asking them if this stuff is covered?

Byker28i

91,828 posts

247 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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sandman77 said:
rayyan171 said:
As for the turbos, the warranty does cover all moving parts - whether the breather pipes and lines come under that I do not know. It is quite vague.
Do they move? Nope? Not covered.
And then moving parts aren't because of wear and tear biggrin

rayyan171

Original Poster:

1,298 posts

123 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Dan_M5 said:
Bmw warranty would of covered the suspension if you had the comprehensive cover.
Surprisingly comprehensive cover won't support this, only drivetrain components are mentioned. It essentially provides what warrantywise provide except they are triple the price.

caelite

4,282 posts

142 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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I fell for the warranty scam a few years ago too, (coincidentally also with warrantywise). The only option really is to take it as a life lesson. Try to use an indy garage in future, main dealers tend to overcharge by 2 or 3 fold.

T16OLE

2,965 posts

221 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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These 3rd party warranties are a waste of money IMO

The BMW insured warranty covers wear and tear up to 100k and I believe would've covered this claim in full

ericmcn

1,999 posts

127 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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'warranties', whether they are consumer goods, cars or anything else are just a waste of time.

In most cases you will probably find that this warranty that was taken out did not cover the cost to get whatever was warrantied in the first place repaired.

always make up some BS as the end of the day.

SWoll

22,843 posts

288 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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caelite said:
I fell for the warranty scam a few years ago too, (coincidentally also with warrantywise). The only option really is to take it as a life lesson. Try to use an indy garage in future, main dealers tend to overcharge by 2 or 3 fold.
In what way did you fall for a 'scam' as you put it? I paid about £400 for a warranty on a 4 year old 530i with WW about 5 years ago. It had a major issue that even at an indy (I got a quote) would have costed somewhere in the region of double the warranty cost to fix and WW paid for the lot.

IME they handled my claim professionally and quickly and at no point did they attempt to riggle out of paying for anything. As long as you understand what is and isn't covered I don't really see the issue and all of that information is freely available on their website.

I'm sure there are plenty of bad warranty companies out there but I can only speak as I find.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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SWoll said:
In what way did you fall for a 'scam' as you put it? I paid about £400 for a warranty on a 4 year old 530i with WW about 5 years ago. It had a major issue that even at an indy (I got a quote) would have costed somewhere in the region of double the warranty cost to fix and WW paid for the lot.
Great. You were the lucky one who had a car that was massively less reliable than expected...

It's really very simple.

Money comes in - premiums.
Money goes out - claims, marketing, admin, salaries, commission, tax.
What's left is profit.

The companies providing these do it because it is profitable. They do not do it as a service to humanity. The average policy pays out MUCH less than it costs. If it didn't, the premiums would go up (or the paid claims down) sufficiently so that they did...

Sheepshanks

41,063 posts

149 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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T16OLE said:
These 3rd party warranties are a waste of money IMO
Warranty Direct cover wear and tear. A couple of years ago they replaced the complete lower front arms on my Merc at 10yrs old when they were found to be worn at a health check. The bushes go and Merc had replaced the bushes only at 6yrs old under their now defunct ServicePlus scheme.

I believe Warranty Direct have changed hands or something not long ago and their founder / MD has left so can't vouch for how they'd perform now.

rongagin

481 posts

166 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Extended warranty as provided by the manufacturer is worthwhile.
I bought a Land Rover and got their 2 year extended warranty thrown in. In first year they have covered a call out by LR assist, dealer had to replace the egr valve, diagnostics time then change, in total 4 days, so got a LR to drive round in.
Then a knocking noise, found to be a drop link, replaced in 4 hrs so no car needed.
Couple of weeks ago, LR assist called due to a reduced performance light. Took 5 days to trace a wiring fault including ordering in a part harness and replace, given a Jag to use.
The above cost me nothing extra.
Two things i have learnt, the LR hasn't been too reliable.
The service and cover from LR warranty and Assist has been superb.

I believe if bought the warranty costs around £800 per year, not just repair but includes LR Assist and replacement cars if needed.