Autocar : Sagaris vs M400
Discussion
Always a risky business, putting one of our cars up against such a high-profile rival as the TVR Sagaris. But it's nice to know that, when it comes to outright performance and dynamics (and after all, that's where each car needs to be judged)the Noble has TVR's latest offering licked.
Also check out the next issue of Car, on news stands v.soon, for a further comparison.
Worth reading the piece which follows the M400/Sagaris comparo, too. Based on a points system, it marks Noble Automotive out as one of the most promising Brit car manufacturers of the future.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
Also check out the next issue of Car, on news stands v.soon, for a further comparison.
Worth reading the piece which follows the M400/Sagaris comparo, too. Based on a points system, it marks Noble Automotive out as one of the most promising Brit car manufacturers of the future.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
lucozade said:
maybe I'm reading this wrong but has anybody else noticed that on the following page of Autocar, "National Health" piece it says:
"selling is direct, and without dealers".
What exactly did Autocar mean by that?
Some kind of glitch in the space time continuum?
(back to when this was true for about 3 days!)micknall said:
Always a risky business, putting one of our cars up against such a high-profile rival as the TVR Sagaris. But it's nice to know that, when it comes to outright performance and dynamics (and after all, that's where each car needs to be judged)the Noble has TVR's latest offering licked.
Also check out the next issue of Car, on news stands v.soon, for a further comparison.
Worth reading the piece which follows the M400/Sagaris comparo, too. Based on a points system, it marks Noble Automotive out as one of the most promising Brit car manufacturers of the future.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
Simon:
The automotive galaxy is all the richer for shining stars like TVR and Noble.
As once-exclusive marques disperse, diversify and generally milk the hell out of their forefathers' hard-earned reputations, TVR and Noble are stepping into the breach with REAL driver's cars as more people seek out a REAL driving experience.
Having spent the day at Silverstone with TVR and Noble owners, driving and shooting the breeze about the relative merits of our cars, the opinion of Autocar - your former employer - was not shared by all. Vive la difference!
Phil James
Head of Marketing
TVR Cars Ltd
bosscerbera said:
Always a risky business, putting one of our cars up against such a high-profile rival as the TVR Sagaris. But it's nice to know that, when it comes to outright performance and dynamics (and after all, that's where each car needs to be judged)the Noble has TVR's latest offering licked.
Also check out the next issue of Car, on news stands v.soon, for a further comparison.
Worth reading the piece which follows the M400/Sagaris comparo, too. Based on a points system, it marks Noble Automotive out as one of the most promising Brit car manufacturers of the future.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
Simon:
The automotive galaxy is all the richer for shining stars like TVR and Noble.
As once-exclusive marques disperse, diversify and generally milk the hell out of their forefathers' hard-earned reputations, TVR and Noble are stepping into the breach with REAL driver's cars as more people seek out a REAL driving experience.
Having spent the day at Silverstone with TVR and Noble owners, driving and shooting the breeze about the relative merits of our cars, the opinion of Autocar - your former employer - was not shared by all. Vive la difference!
Phil James
Head of Marketing
TVR Cars Ltd
Let battle commence
Seriously though, I'm pleased that both Noble and TVR can co-exist in this market with 2 fantastic cars like the M400 and the Sagaris... at least they're both British... of sorts!
I still think the M400 is the greatest 'fun for your money' on the supercar market today; but I do like the idea of a 3 year warranty...
Dom.
domcross said:
Let battle commence
Seriously though, I'm pleased that both Noble and TVR can co-exist in this market with 2 fantastic cars like the M400 and the Sagaris... at least they're both British... of sorts!
I still think the M400 is the greatest 'fun for your money' on the supercar market today; but I do like the idea of a 3 year warranty...
Dom.
You can't accuse me of any bias. I've had the misfortune of owning 3 TVRs. They have a long way to go yet and only time will tell. But as the article points out (page 45) "THE ODD UNFINISHED CARPET EDGE AND STICKING DRIVER'S DOOR LATCH OF OUR TEST CAR".
I'm sorry but there really is no comparison or battle. I go to work in my Noble every day - not some loan car provided by the TVR dealer whilst my brand new heap of crap spends more time with people scratching their heads.
If you think I keep harping on about this then you would be right - the more people I can talk away from buying a TVR the better. It will only cause you upset and grief in your life. Two legal battles with two separate dealer told me so !
I went to the Noble Owners meeting and I witnessed Lee Noble himself hanging inside an engine bay of an M400 - Helping a customer. Peter Wheeler on the other hand mob handed me when I collected my clearly "Friday afternoon built" Cerbera from yet another visit to the factory. And then to top it off the same car appeared 18 months later on a dealers forecourt with 10,000 less miles on the clock !!!
I rest my case.
>> Edited by lucozade on Wednesday 30th March 01:06
lucozade said:
And then to top it off the same car appeared 18 months later on a dealers forecourt with 10,000 less miles on the clock !!!
...what..you mean you managed to do 10,000 miles in that thing?!
I jest of course...I'm just happy to see both companies thriving...I take my hat off to Lee for what he has achieved, and have put my money in the noble camp...but the TVR appeals on the aesthetics and aural pleasures, the 3 yr warranty is a good start but proof of improvement is required. I for one will give the new TVR owner a chance to prove himself before trying to kill off the company for failures in the past
>> Edited by kentviking on Wednesday 30th March 07:48
I'll reserve judgement on the dynamics until I drive the thing, although I usally tend to concur with the Autocar staff team.
I had a good look around the 'saggyarse' (sorry - can't resist) at Racing Green the other weekend.
I like the interior much more than previous ones. It's much less 'wild' and more 'dark and boring' to me, which is a good thing.
Still hate the speedo / rev counter thing - if I wanted brass instruments I'd buy a boat!
Not convinced how long the 'carbon fibre' cloth will last, but it does look nice.
Space inside though is very cramped compared to the M400. The M400 feels airy and spacious, I felt rather cramped when I was sitting in the Saggy.
I still don't like the rear end (just what is that lax power bit of plastic on the back), the exhausts do nothing for me, and the rear curves just aren't very 'sorted' with the rest of the car.
I really liked the fact that they had filled in all the 'vent' holes over the wheel arches - it looked silly on a road car to have them open, and the new look improves things.
Fit and finish on the two cars I saw still tend to suggest they have someway to go. The 'green' RG one's driver's door wouldn't shut without a good slam, the panel gaps on the black one weren't exactly straight, and the seats creaked a bit when you moved around in the green one.
Finally, some of the piccies and stories from the RG 'thrash' that they did for their video show some 'interesting' handling characteristics it seems which probably need to be looked at by TVR.
So - would I buy one. Nope, not with the M400 around. However, I still remain an active TVR enthusaist, but they need to get back to the Chim/Cerby/Griff styling (clean, *smooth*, slightly understated, fresh, inspired designs) for me to consider one, and they need to get near/very close to the M400 dynamic wise if they want 50-60k of my money.
Good to see TVR 'coming out fighting' - but with the M14 on the way, my gut feel is that they will probably start to carve their own 'niches'?
J
I had a good look around the 'saggyarse' (sorry - can't resist) at Racing Green the other weekend.
I like the interior much more than previous ones. It's much less 'wild' and more 'dark and boring' to me, which is a good thing.
Still hate the speedo / rev counter thing - if I wanted brass instruments I'd buy a boat!
Not convinced how long the 'carbon fibre' cloth will last, but it does look nice.
Space inside though is very cramped compared to the M400. The M400 feels airy and spacious, I felt rather cramped when I was sitting in the Saggy.
I still don't like the rear end (just what is that lax power bit of plastic on the back), the exhausts do nothing for me, and the rear curves just aren't very 'sorted' with the rest of the car.
I really liked the fact that they had filled in all the 'vent' holes over the wheel arches - it looked silly on a road car to have them open, and the new look improves things.
Fit and finish on the two cars I saw still tend to suggest they have someway to go. The 'green' RG one's driver's door wouldn't shut without a good slam, the panel gaps on the black one weren't exactly straight, and the seats creaked a bit when you moved around in the green one.
Finally, some of the piccies and stories from the RG 'thrash' that they did for their video show some 'interesting' handling characteristics it seems which probably need to be looked at by TVR.
So - would I buy one. Nope, not with the M400 around. However, I still remain an active TVR enthusaist, but they need to get back to the Chim/Cerby/Griff styling (clean, *smooth*, slightly understated, fresh, inspired designs) for me to consider one, and they need to get near/very close to the M400 dynamic wise if they want 50-60k of my money.
Good to see TVR 'coming out fighting' - but with the M14 on the way, my gut feel is that they will probably start to carve their own 'niches'?
J
My intention was never to 'knock' TVR. Despite gratuitous jibes from its ex-Chairman over the years, we've never risen to the bait and have continued to develop cars of a very different character to those made in Blackpool.
However, as Noble's press officer, I reserve the right to bring articles like this to everyone's attention. After all, that's how we market our cars.
However, as Noble's press officer, I reserve the right to bring articles like this to everyone's attention. After all, that's how we market our cars.
micknall said:
However, as Noble's press officer, I reserve the right to bring articles like this to everyone's attention. After all, that's how we market our cars.
But Simon you didn't, Dan was first to post. Now I beleive Petrol Ted has rules about advertising so if you had you may have contravened them but lucklily you didn't.
Regards
Paul C
paulcundy said:
But Simon you didn't, Dan was first to post. Now I beleive Petrol Ted has rules about advertising so if you had you may have contravened them but lucklily you didn't.
Regards
Paul C
He does mention Car Magazine but that certainly doesn't break any rules. It's informative to us all. Thanks Simon
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