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New speeding laws - Brits OUTRAGED at new £2,500 fines coming in THIS MONTH
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/788677/sp...
NEW speeding laws will be introduced in the UK on April 24th 2017, seeing fines significantly increase and punishing certain drivers more than others.
Drivers will be charged up to 175 per cent of their wage for breaking the speed limit
Under strict new laws, drivers can now be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage depending on how severe the offence is.
This means that wealthier drivers will be punished more severely, which almost half (46 per cent) of Brits believes is unfair.
The maximum fine for getting caught speeding is also increasing from £1,000 to £2,500 in a further bid to deter drivers from breaking the speed limit.
Well, that will definately cut the accident rate, wont't it ?
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/788677/sp...
NEW speeding laws will be introduced in the UK on April 24th 2017, seeing fines significantly increase and punishing certain drivers more than others.
Drivers will be charged up to 175 per cent of their wage for breaking the speed limit
Under strict new laws, drivers can now be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage depending on how severe the offence is.
This means that wealthier drivers will be punished more severely, which almost half (46 per cent) of Brits believes is unfair.
The maximum fine for getting caught speeding is also increasing from £1,000 to £2,500 in a further bid to deter drivers from breaking the speed limit.
Well, that will definately cut the accident rate, wont't it ?
Isn't it means tested already - and different courts give out different fines for identical offences?
So even the worst 'category c' offence, which can get you fine of 175% of your weekly wage, would be the same for someone £100k+ a year as for someone on £100k a week - as the max is a £2.5k fine.
Looks like I'll never have to worry about hitting the max fine
So even the worst 'category c' offence, which can get you fine of 175% of your weekly wage, would be the same for someone £100k+ a year as for someone on £100k a week - as the max is a £2.5k fine.
Looks like I'll never have to worry about hitting the max fine
Another one of those articles that gets it wrong.
Maximum fine for speeding on a motorway stays at £2,500. Maximum fine on all other roads stays at £1,000.
Other than a couple of newly included 'comments' for the Magistrates to consider, it's the guideline income multiplier that's changing, and only for the highest category of speed,
R Tickle said:
The maximum fine for getting caught speeding is also increasing from £1,000 to £2,500 in a further bid to deter drivers from breaking the speed limit.
It isn't. Maximum fine for speeding on a motorway stays at £2,500. Maximum fine on all other roads stays at £1,000.
Other than a couple of newly included 'comments' for the Magistrates to consider, it's the guideline income multiplier that's changing, and only for the highest category of speed,
SS2. said:
Other than a couple of newly included 'comments' for the Magistrates to consider, it's the guideline income multiplier that's changing, and only for the highest category of speed,
That's how I read it too.Poor reporting, as expected I suppose though.
Lots of people reading this news will now assume if they're caught at 35mph in a 30mph zone, they'll have to pay 175% of their weekly income as a fine, instead of the £100 they'll actually have to pay.
Jesus said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
What doesn't outrage a Brit?
We're lucky to have gotten away with means tested fines for as long as we have.
I think someone needs to set up a Facebook page to show how REALLY outraged we are.We're lucky to have gotten away with means tested fines for as long as we have.
Better still, why bother pretending that they're really trying to discourage speeding? A fine is just about the worst way to discourage something unless its astronomical, in which case it's disproportionate.
When we decided to properly try and stamp out drink driving, it wasn't the fines that helped; while there was some impact from the other punishments, by far the most effective measure was simply making it socially unacceptable.
Speeding is not socially unacceptable and never will be because, deep down, a good proportion of people have the sense to realise it often isn't dangerous.
So what they're actually trying to do is maximise revenue, in which case they should do it properly! I say, make all speeding fines proportional to the road, limit and the time of day (i.e. the danger), so motorway speed up to, say 100mph outside of rush hour would be a fine of £5, capped at £10 of offences per week. I reckon about 2/3 of people would choose to pay the "fee" for the "right" to speed on long motorway journeys. I know I would.
It's a highly efficient and non-distortive way of raising revenue too compared to say, income tax. (What I propose is, in effect, a tax.)
When we decided to properly try and stamp out drink driving, it wasn't the fines that helped; while there was some impact from the other punishments, by far the most effective measure was simply making it socially unacceptable.
Speeding is not socially unacceptable and never will be because, deep down, a good proportion of people have the sense to realise it often isn't dangerous.
So what they're actually trying to do is maximise revenue, in which case they should do it properly! I say, make all speeding fines proportional to the road, limit and the time of day (i.e. the danger), so motorway speed up to, say 100mph outside of rush hour would be a fine of £5, capped at £10 of offences per week. I reckon about 2/3 of people would choose to pay the "fee" for the "right" to speed on long motorway journeys. I know I would.
It's a highly efficient and non-distortive way of raising revenue too compared to say, income tax. (What I propose is, in effect, a tax.)
robinessex said:
This means that wealthier drivers will be punished more severely, which almost half (46 per cent) of Brits believes is unfair.
Mutters quietly to himself and walks off.........bloody brexit and other % stats con.....
HantsRat said:
Actually I have to disagree, I would say the biggest deterrent for drink drive is a minimum 12month ban and fine.
Perhaps for scumbags. But not for those capable of understanding the stupidity of drink driving and the devastation of the possible consequences... I hope!For example, in the rural area I grew up, your chances of seeing the rozzers were miniscule. I do recall one mate who got done, out of the many who I know who each chanced it many times and got away with it. I think the reasons those people don't drink and drive now is because they've grown up and reason like adults. Their chances of being caught haven't changed. In fact the chances are probably lower than ever, thanks to policing cuts...
surveyor said:
Sump said:
Fake news. We really need to hold newspapers accountable for just bulls
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This Fake News stuff really pisses me off.t.It's not fake - it's actually true. It is however reported in a misleading way - or misreported if you like...
Guys, it isn't fake news, just misleading/misreported. Sheer lol right there.
boz1 said:
So what they're actually trying to do is maximise revenue, in which case they should do it properly! I say, make all speeding fines proportional to the road, limit and the time of day (i.e. the danger), so motorway speed up to, say 100mph outside of rush hour would be a fine of £5, capped at £10 of offences per week. I reckon about 2/3 of people would choose to pay the "fee" for the "right" to speed on long motorway journeys. I know I would.
It's a highly efficient and non-distortive way of raising revenue too compared to say, income tax. (What I propose is, in effect, a tax.)
Could be a scale, £1 per mph over the limit.It's a highly efficient and non-distortive way of raising revenue too compared to say, income tax. (What I propose is, in effect, a tax.)
Even better they could make it like the congestion charge, it is up to you to decide if you need to pay it and how much, if you choose not to pay or don't pay enough to cover the highest speed you have been detected at you get a big speeding fine. TPTB could get Crapita to run it, what could go wrong?
boz1 said:
Perhaps for scumbags. But not for those capable of understanding the stupidity of drink driving and the devastation of the possible consequences... I hope!
For example, in the rural area I grew up, your chances of seeing the rozzers were miniscule. I do recall one mate who got done, out of the many who I know who each chanced it many times and got away with it. I think the reasons those people don't drink and drive now is because they've grown up and reason like adults. Their chances of being caught haven't changed. In fact the chances are probably lower than ever, thanks to policing cuts...
Go outside any rural pub at closing time and you'll see loads of people drink-driving homewards, bouncing off the hedges as they go.For example, in the rural area I grew up, your chances of seeing the rozzers were miniscule. I do recall one mate who got done, out of the many who I know who each chanced it many times and got away with it. I think the reasons those people don't drink and drive now is because they've grown up and reason like adults. Their chances of being caught haven't changed. In fact the chances are probably lower than ever, thanks to policing cuts...
Not low-life scum, these are businessmen, farm workers, professionals... most in their 40s, 50s or 60s...
For some reason they feel that the laws don't apply to them
boyse7en said:
Go outside any rural pub at closing time and you'll see loads of people drink-driving homewards, bouncing off the hedges as they go.
Not low-life scum, these are businessmen, farm workers, professionals... most in their 40s, 50s or 60s...
For some reason they feel that the laws don't apply to them
Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Or isn't the rate at least a lot lower than it used to be and perhaps this behaviour is confined to the "older generation"? Not low-life scum, these are businessmen, farm workers, professionals... most in their 40s, 50s or 60s...
For some reason they feel that the laws don't apply to them
robinessex said:
New speeding laws - Brits OUTRAGED at new £2,500 fines coming in THIS MONTH
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/788677/sp...
NEW speeding laws will be introduced in the UK on April 24th 2017, seeing fines significantly increase and punishing certain drivers more than others.
Drivers will be charged up to 175 per cent of their wage for breaking the speed limit
Under strict new laws, drivers can now be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage depending on how severe the offence is.
This means that wealthier drivers will be punished more severely, which almost half (46 per cent) of Brits believes is unfair.
The maximum fine for getting caught speeding is also increasing from £1,000 to £2,500 in a further bid to deter drivers from breaking the speed limit.
Well, that will definately cut the accident rate, wont't it ?
Reality:http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/788677/sp...
NEW speeding laws will be introduced in the UK on April 24th 2017, seeing fines significantly increase and punishing certain drivers more than others.
Drivers will be charged up to 175 per cent of their wage for breaking the speed limit
Under strict new laws, drivers can now be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage depending on how severe the offence is.
This means that wealthier drivers will be punished more severely, which almost half (46 per cent) of Brits believes is unfair.
The maximum fine for getting caught speeding is also increasing from £1,000 to £2,500 in a further bid to deter drivers from breaking the speed limit.
Well, that will definately cut the accident rate, wont't it ?
Maximum fine - unchanged
Fixed penalty - unchanged
Speed awareness course threshold - unchanged
What's actually changing:
See previous threads (at least 2 running) - e.g.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...
Edited by agtlaw on Thursday 6th April 22:20
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