P-Zero Corsa Prices
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You need m400 suspension or nitrons to run corsas or you'll be on your bumpstops in corners
Even with nitrons you can get on the stops if you try hard enough which is presumably why the m400 has an ARB. Corsas are very soft (stick your nail into them soft) so obviously don't wear that well. These guys had a good price on Corsas last year :
www.design911.co.uk/index.htm?Region=UK
Mr Noble said:
Hi Richard,
Does the M400 come with Corsa's. What are the differences between them and the SO3's?
Is there much price difference.?
I was told a set of SO3's would be about £800 fitted.
They're standard fit on the M400.
Damn grippy in the dry when they've got some temperature in them. Not that bad in the wet but AVOID standing water as they do aquaplane rather well.
No idea of SO3 prices but their prices may have been covered on this forum before.
DanH said:
You need m400 suspension or nitrons to run corsas or you'll be on your bumpstops in corners
These guys had a good price on Corsas last year :
www.design911.co.uk/index.htm?Region=UK
Ta. I've just emailed them for a quote
Few things.
The Corsa's on the Noble are NOT the "normal" ones. There are two versions of the tyres apparently, one used on Ferrari's and "the other one" which is what goes onto the M400. One advantage AFAIK is the "other one" comes with another mm or so of tread, and hence although they are slightly more than quoted from the factory, it probably works itself out.
As to how you tell them apart - no idea!
I also have to say that the Corsa's seem to wear better than the SO3's. I was regularly "doing" a set within two or three trackdays, and almost trashed a new set to completly worn out after a day at Bedford. However, the Corsa's have held up to two Bedfords (both dry and sunny), one Millbrook (wet) and Rockingham (dry), and amazingly are only just down to the wear indicators.
On this basis the M400 is actually going to cost me less in tyres than the M12 did...
J
The Corsa's on the Noble are NOT the "normal" ones. There are two versions of the tyres apparently, one used on Ferrari's and "the other one" which is what goes onto the M400. One advantage AFAIK is the "other one" comes with another mm or so of tread, and hence although they are slightly more than quoted from the factory, it probably works itself out.
As to how you tell them apart - no idea!
I also have to say that the Corsa's seem to wear better than the SO3's. I was regularly "doing" a set within two or three trackdays, and almost trashed a new set to completly worn out after a day at Bedford. However, the Corsa's have held up to two Bedfords (both dry and sunny), one Millbrook (wet) and Rockingham (dry), and amazingly are only just down to the wear indicators.
On this basis the M400 is actually going to cost me less in tyres than the M12 did...
J
joust said:
Few things.
The Corsa's on the Noble are NOT the "normal" ones. There are two versions of the tyres apparently, one used on Ferrari's and "the other one" which is what goes onto the M400. One advantage AFAIK is the "other one" comes with another mm or so of tread, and hence although they are slightly more than quoted from the factory, it probably works itself out.
As to how you tell them apart - no idea!
Oh what fun ... can someone from the factory comment on this ... are they really a Noble "special"? It's going to be a really common question for M400 owners plus I really don't want to waste other tyre suppliers time giving them the wrong spec.
Not convinced.
I've stuck over 3000 miles as well on that set - SO3's lasted around 2500 + 3-4 trackdays.
After the first 1500 miles I'd taken 0.5mm off the tread without any track days - that equates to around 9000-11000 for a set which seems about the same that people were getting through SO3s without tracking their car.
I can't understand it - the "tredwear" number is 1/3rd of the SO3s so they should wear out much quicker, but it's just not happening! If it's a "linear' scale then I should have had nothing left after just the 3500 miles I've stuck on them, as it is I have 2mm at best, 1.6mm at worse (i.e. I could still rag them out for another trackday assuming I had a different set to get me home), and have done 3500 miles and 5 trackdays.
Figure that out!
J
J
I've stuck over 3000 miles as well on that set - SO3's lasted around 2500 + 3-4 trackdays.
After the first 1500 miles I'd taken 0.5mm off the tread without any track days - that equates to around 9000-11000 for a set which seems about the same that people were getting through SO3s without tracking their car.
I can't understand it - the "tredwear" number is 1/3rd of the SO3s so they should wear out much quicker, but it's just not happening! If it's a "linear' scale then I should have had nothing left after just the 3500 miles I've stuck on them, as it is I have 2mm at best, 1.6mm at worse (i.e. I could still rag them out for another trackday assuming I had a different set to get me home), and have done 3500 miles and 5 trackdays.
Figure that out!
J
J
The Corsa's that came on my M400 had the standard 6/32" tread depth. Here in the USA, you can order them shaved to 4/32". They are a bit slippery when cold, but once they warm up, they stick very very well.
They're also a lot lighter than the S03's. The 265/35R18's are 23 lbs, while the S03 tires in that size are 29 lbs. The fronts are 22 lbs vs 26 lbs.
They're also a lot lighter than the S03's. The 265/35R18's are 23 lbs, while the S03 tires in that size are 29 lbs. The fronts are 22 lbs vs 26 lbs.
Treadwear is not comparable across brands, nor can it ever be linear given how you can shread a tyre very quickly through using/abusing it beyond its intended parameters! FWIW I agree with Nathan's analysis, i.e. that you can ruin bridgestones very quickly on track by overheating them, but on the road they will certainly last better.
I mean come on, you can stick your fingernail into the Corsas!
DanH said:Dan, I was merely pointing out that the Corsa's, overall, seem to be lasting better.
i.e. that you can ruin bridgestones very quickly on track by overheating them, but on the road they will certainly last better.
I mean come on, you can stick your fingernail into the Corsas!
The facts speak for themselves, and after 1500 miles, the Corsa's seemed to be wearing at a rate that was comparable to the SO3s (yes, I did keep a log of tyre wear on the SO3's sad git I am).
Also, remember that the M400 suspension is fundamentally different - the rears don't wear out in the centre like the SO3s did - the wear across the tyre is remarkably even apart from some serious outer edge wear that the track generates.
At this rate, even buying the P0s at 265 compared to 160 for the SO3 I'll be spending less on tyres for the M400 than I did for the M12....
J
joust said:
At this rate, even buying the P0s at 265 compared to 160 for the SO3 I'll be spending less on tyres for the M400 than I did for the M12....
J
Ouch, just converted that. You guys pay a serious grip of money for tires.
265 GBP = $496.92
Prices just went up on the P-Zero Corsa here in the US. About 2 weeks ago, they were $133 here (70.92 GBP), but they've recently risen to $212 (113.03 GBP).
m12_nathan said:If you reduce the pressures to stop the centre wear you really upset the car's balance, especially in the wet (I did go through a phase of doing +/- 0.5, 1, 1.5 and 2 psi to see what happened.
Tyre wearing out in the centre indicates it is over inflated and the outer edge wearing on track means you haven't got enough neg camber, something I noticed a lot - inside 2" or so of tyre was much colder then the rest and you could actually see it was not being used!
Ditto the camber, play around with that and you'll upset the turnin and it's benign character me thinks?
The M400 just has a much better suspension setup (but then we all know that), hence comparing M12 tyre wear with an M400 is not really a valid comparison me thinks. I'm just glad that it seems I'm actually going to pay less for rubber this year
J
gotapex said:Yep - but you've got to live in the country run by George Bush.
Ouch, just converted that. You guys pay a serious grip of money for tires.
265 GBP = $496.92
Prices just went up on the P-Zero Corsa here in the US. About 2 weeks ago, they were $133 here (70.92 GBP), but they've recently risen to $212 (113.03 GBP).
Err - hang on - bugger, just remembered we've got Tony Blair.
Ok -
You Git! J
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