Speed Limit Clarification
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Nickyboy

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6,825 posts

264 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Hoping someone can clarify this to settle a Facebook argument

There is a new housing estate where i work, there is 3 entrances to the estate, one at each end of road that runs through the estate and a 3rd elsewhere.

One end of the main drag is signed 20mph as you enter thus making you think the estate is a 20mph limit. The other end of the main drag is no signage at all, you come off of a 40mph road. The 3rd entrance also has no signage at all, again you enter it from a 40mph road.

There are no other signs other than the two 20mph signs as you enter from one end, there was speculation that they were put up by the developers while the estate was in it early development stage.

Is it 40mph? Is it 20mph? Is it 30mph?

Obviously being a built up area with street lighting the default would be 30mph but i'm in the understanding there should be signage at the start of the limit which there isn't.

Any ideas?

cmaguire

3,589 posts

139 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Nickyboy said:
Hoping someone can clarify this to settle a Facebook argument

There is a new housing estate where i work, there is 3 entrances to the estate, one at each end of road that runs through the estate and a 3rd elsewhere.

One end of the main drag is signed 20mph as you enter thus making you think the estate is a 20mph limit. The other end of the main drag is no signage at all, you come off of a 40mph road. The 3rd entrance also has no signage at all, again you enter it from a 40mph road.

There are no other signs other than the two 20mph signs as you enter from one end, there was speculation that they were put up by the developers while the estate was in it early development stage.

Is it 40mph? Is it 20mph? Is it 30mph?

Obviously being a built up area with street lighting the default would be 30mph but i'm in the understanding there should be signage at the start of the limit which there isn't.

Any ideas?
Practical reality 30mph for the reasons you mention, as opposed to the 20mph some probably wish for as evidenced by the random signs.
40mph is likely fantasy.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Nickyboy said:
Obviously being a built up area with street lighting the default would be 30mph but i'm in the understanding there should be signage at the start of the limit which there isn't.
In the absence of anything else enforceable, it'd be the default. 30.

exelero

2,083 posts

119 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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As far as I know, if you have a Speed Limit sign, the next junction "resets it to default" 30mph in this case.

rainmakerraw

1,243 posts

156 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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A lot of the roads around here are very similar OP, even main roads. You have 20mph signs entering one end of a road, but the other end (and all the junctions along it) come from 30mph or 40mph roads and have no signage. In effect the drivers coming in from end A are doing 20(ish), but the drivers coming in from end B and side roads 1, 2, 3 and 4 are all doing 30. It makes for some interesting road rage when 70% of the drivers are fuming at the 30% doing 20 'for no reason'. hehe

Nickyboy

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6,825 posts

264 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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rainmakerraw said:
A lot of the roads around here are very similar OP, even main roads. You have 20mph signs entering one end of a road, but the other end (and all the junctions along it) come from 30mph or 40mph roads and have no signage. In effect the drivers coming in from end A are doing 20(ish), but the drivers coming in from end B and side roads 1, 2, 3 and 4 are all doing 30. It makes for some interesting road rage when 70% of the drivers are fuming at the 30% doing 20 'for no reason'. hehe
That's what i was trying to figure, i'm guessing the estate is not fully adopted by the council yet hence the lack of official signage.

mikeveal

5,132 posts

280 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Nickyboy said:
One end of the main drag is signed 20mph as you enter thus making you think the estate is a 20mph limit. The other end of the main drag is no signage at all, you come off of a 40mph road. The 3rd entrance also has no signage at all, again you enter it from a 40mph road.
All I can think of when I read that...

grumpy52

6,074 posts

196 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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The main criteria would be if the roads have been adopted or are still private ,owned by the developer.

covboy

2,593 posts

204 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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grumpy52 said:
The main criteria would be if the roads have been adopted or are still private ,owned by the developer.
I worked on new development industrial estate where the signage was all over the place - Including 15mph limit signs printed on paper, laminated and cable tied to lamposts !