SATA Hard drives
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Chim450

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1,452 posts

291 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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I already have two EIDE hard drives in my desktop. I do have an SATA interface on my motherboard. Is it possible to add an SATA hard drive and keep the old drives? In this situation could you make the SATA drive the bootable device?

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Yep, should be able to add a SATA drive no problem... make sure it's got the SATA controller enabled on the BIOS.

You could make it bootable, but you may need to re-install Windows on the SATA drive to do this...

judas

6,239 posts

289 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Podie said:
You could make it bootable, but you may need to re-install Windows on the SATA drive to do this...

Noooooo! Run away! Run away!



I had a bad experience trying to make a SATA drive the main boot disc...

Bodo

12,602 posts

296 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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It would as well be possible to install a bootloader on the SATA drive that will be used when the SATA drive is set as boot device in BIOS. The bootloader then can access other devices/partitions to boot from; ie. the existing Windows installation.

GRUB is one such bootloader.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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judas said:

Podie said:
You could make it bootable, but you may need to re-install Windows on the SATA drive to do this...


Noooooo! Run away! Run away!



I had a bad experience trying to make a SATA drive the main boot disc...




Judas, the first one is a learning curve… done quite a few now.. So not so bad … in fact the latest toy has two 160GB SATA drives…

roop

6,018 posts

314 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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I have a single 400GB SATA HDD in MY PC and have successfully connected older HDD's via the EIDE interface to copy stuff over. They were only connected temporarily, but worked a treat.

Because they are on a different physical interface, there may be two boot order settings in your BIOS. A drive boot order and an interface boot order. If so, make sure you set both.

ErnestM

11,621 posts

297 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Podie said:

judas said:


Podie said:
You could make it bootable, but you may need to re-install Windows on the SATA drive to do this...



Noooooo! Run away! Run away!



I had a bad experience trying to make a SATA drive the main boot disc...





Judas, the first one is a learning curve… done quite a few now.. So not so bad … in fact the latest toy has two 160GB SATA drives…


I haven't tried it, but couldn't you "Ghost" over the EIDE drive to the SATA and then change boot order and be in business?

ErnestM

HarryW

16,034 posts

299 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Done this myself . I had a few initial issues with getting it to boot from the SATA as the legacy boot bios on the IDE drive wanted to take charge all the time . One thing that finaly sorted it was loading the latest MB BIOS , which I presume recognised there was a problem with the system as shipped and corrected it.

Harry

nick heppinstall

9,082 posts

310 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Just make sure you have the MB SATA drivers on a floppy if you format and re-install XP. F6 on boot and load 'em from the floppy.

beanbag

7,346 posts

271 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Best way to boot from a SATA drive without reloading windows is by using a drive cloning program. (It'll probably cost you about £20).

This will copy ALL the information including the MBR to the SATA drive.

I did it recently to my brother-in-laws PC. We installed a Raptor SATA and cloned the old drive to the new one. We then removed the old drive and using the Windows XP Recovery Console, rebuilt the MBR. Rebooted again and voila!

Now to remove the data from the IDE drive we plug it back in to find it's taken over the SATA drive. No problems there!

You need to boot up with an old MS-DOS floppy (www.bootdisk.com), and then remove the partitions from the old drive. Reboot and nothing will happen....

Now reconnect all the drives again and the SATA drive will boot up. Once in Windows, partition the old IDE drive and format as necessary and you'll have both drives working side by side perfectly.

Sounds long winded but it's a heck of a lot quicker than reinstalled XP!

Good luck!

Chim450

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1,452 posts

291 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Thanks guys! I have a hard drive cloning program (casper) which I used when I upgraded to a larger hard drive. I will give it a try.

BTW how much quicker is a RAID setup compared to a single SATA drive?

_Dobbo_

14,619 posts

278 months

Wednesday 30th March 2005
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Chim450 said:
Thanks guys! I have a hard drive cloning program (casper) which I used when I upgraded to a larger hard drive. I will give it a try.

BTW how much quicker is a RAID setup compared to a single SATA drive?



If you get it right, fast as fook!

Pc Pro did a test in the May issue - which found that two SATA drives under certain circumstances were actually more than twice as fast as a single disk - work that out if you can!

edited to correct myself

actually it says almost twice as fast. Still two cheap SATA small drives will kick the crap out of one expensive big one. Food for thought.








>> Edited by _Dobbo_ on Wednesday 30th March 18:24

beanbag

7,346 posts

271 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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Chim450 said:
Thanks guys! I have a hard drive cloning program (casper) which I used when I upgraded to a larger hard drive. I will give it a try.

BTW how much quicker is a RAID setup compared to a single SATA drive?


Yeah. Ideally you want two 10K rpm Raptor drives in RAID 0. The drives alone achieve 53MB/sec which is faster than a lot of SCSI Ultra Wide drives (which is lightning quick), so if you have a decent RAID controller, you'll get a theoretical 106MB/sec! That's about as fast as some high end servers! Plus they have an access time of 4ms which again is stupidly quick.

Only problem with this configuration is that it'll cost you just under £400! (Plus you'll want some very decent SATA cables).

Anyhow.....good luck and enjoy!

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,810 posts

270 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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beanbag said:

Only problem with this configuration is that it'll cost you just under £400! (Plus you'll want some very decent SATA cables).

And you're doubling your risk of drive failure data loss. One goes, it all goes.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

beanbag said:

Only problem with this configuration is that it'll cost you just under £400! (Plus you'll want some very decent SATA cables).


And you're doubling your risk of drive failure data loss. One goes, it all goes.




BACKUP!

beanbag

7,346 posts

271 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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RAID 10





however......you've just doubled your costs! Ah well! It's only £800 quid! Just think of the speeeeeeeed!



>> Edited by beanbag on Thursday 31st March 12:13

roop

6,018 posts

314 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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My PC has a single 400GB SATA HDD and RAID capability on the motherboard. I have tested the drive and it managed 51MB/s. So If I go to a RAID 0 stripe setup with dual HDD's I can double the speed eh...? Might be good for my video editing...

HarryW

16,034 posts

299 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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How do you measure this 51Mb/s - 106Mb/s thingy then. I assume its a test but how can I check mine out .

Harry

beanbag

7,346 posts

271 months

Thursday 31st March 2005
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Email me through my profile and i'll tell you how. I can't exactly say on here if you know what I mean