What next?

[finestjammy]

Hi All

I've currently go a 987.2 Cayman S. Really enjoy it. I'm just half thinking of a change now after coming up to 2 years ownership. Considered all sorts from M2, M4, F-Type, Vantage, 981, 997.2 and a 991. The budget is up to £55k but I'd be more than happy to spend less . I think I've narrowed the desk top research down to the Vantage, F-Type, 981, 997.2 and 991, admittedly still a lengthy list at the momentS. I've driven a 4.3 Aston some time ago but I would be looking at 4.7. I've also driven the 981 and 991, but not the F-Type or 997.2.

Whilst I appreciate all cars go down in value I'd like to minimse this as much as possible. Any thoughts on the little collection above which would depreciate the least? I do circa 10k a year a a daily driver in the 987.2 CS. I could get a second car too, but I'd rather not.

Any opinions welcome.

James.

Edited by finestjammy on Saturday 15th April 15:14

[sonnenschein3000]

I don't know if you'll be happy with anything else after your Porsche.

Every other car feels unnessecarily large and heavy, and that a big engine, big brakes and adaptive suspension are there to partially compensate. However, the F-type *might* be good, i havent driven it.

I'd suggest either 981, or the 718(982) - or maybe going to a 911.

[finestjammy]

Thanks for the reply. I think you're right. Porsche are just such good all rounders. M2/M3 are very capable, but just don't seem special enough somehow. Aston feels really special, but they seem extremely mileage sensitive, so I'd be nervous about putting loads of miles on one.

[Stunters]

I'd seriously consider keeping what you have, and maybe adding a second car with for the remainder of your budget that is also fast/interesting but can also be used as a daily. Your shortlist are all decent choices of course, though.

I am clearly biased, but i would suggest that an E90 or E92 M3 would be a fine companion to a 987.2 Cayman, and will depreciate relatively slowly from its current market value. You should be able to get a very nice one for £25k or less.

I alternate between a 987.1 Cayman an an E90 M3 (the saloon version), usually doing a fortnight or so of commuting in each at a time.
Have fun with your decision.

[Klippie]

I had the same thoughts a while back the only car I'd considered changing my 987.2 for was the Cayman GTS it looked amazing and could be spec'd with all the toys I wanted...but I bottled it and the next thing I knew it was out of production. Then to top it all off I had a go in a GTS in nearly my perfect spec X73 suspension, torque vectoring, slippy diff, and ceramic brakes...it was sensational.

After driving the GTS getting back in my own car it just felt so right I couldn't believe I prefered my 987 to what I'd just driven, the biggest thing was the steering the 987 was way better...but that's just me.

If you're changing just for the sake of it I'd have a real hard think about letting your 987.2 go unless its for a Cayman R of course.
My advice would be buy a second car as a daily and keep your Cayman.

[runner911]

James, have you considered an Audi R8 V10 ?

I've been along the Porsche , Aston and Lamborghini route and found the R8 to be about the best of the lot.

I've had mine for over 2 1/2 years now which is some kind of record for me.

Awesome performance and handling.

[finestjammy]

Thanks for the replies. I may well keep hold of the Cayman yet It has done 55k miles and is under warranty until the end of September. I was half thinking that now might be a reasonable time to sell to a good price. We shall see

I did think about the R8 but ruled it out on luggage space. Yes, I know you don't buy these cars for luggage space and economy, but we only holiday in the UK due to not being able to fly for medical reasons. We have a holiday cottage on the Yorkshire east coast and we can pack in a fortnights worth of stuff in the Cayman. That includes bedding, towels, multiple pairs of shoes and still a bit spare for some booze I know I could get a second car, but it's exactly when I'm at the coast and over the moors that I want to be in a car I really want to be driving. I don't need rear seats, but decent (similar to the Cayman) luggage space is a requirement.

I think I'm erring to a 981 S, 991 3.4 or F-Type (V6 S or V8), or I do a full circle and stick with what I have for a while I'm guessing out of those three the 991 would depreciate the least?

Thanks again for the responses, always good to chew over ideas with like minded folk.

James.

[Rotty]

I had a Cayman S and now have a F Type V6S, loved them both but the Jag is loads more fun, nowhere near as technical and clinical as the Cayman but very silly and childish depends on what you want tbh

If you do go Jag route though whatever you do take extended warranty

[stuno1]

That will get you in to a late s1 Evora s sports racer with some cash to spare or an early 400. I am thinking about a Cayman next so if you test one I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

[finestjammy]

Rotty said:

I had a Cayman S and now have a F Type V6S, loved them both but the Jag is loads more fun, nowhere near as technical and clinical as the Cayman but very silly and childish depends on what you want tbh

If you do go Jag route though whatever you do take extended warranty

How does the performance of the F-Type compare to your Cayman? Broadly similar?

I don't really drive that quickly, I think that's the only downside to the Cayman. In my opinion you have to be driving really quite quickly for it to be fun. I also have a TVR Chimaera, but I haven't used it for two years as the other half hates it and I need to get round to selling it. It is extremely good fun at 20mph though, ridiculous engine noise and pops and crackles. No chance I'd use it as a daily. It's like a good night out, a blast, noisy, hot and sometimes a little scary, I wouldn't want to do it every night though.

I think what I'm coming to the conclusion is that I'd like a little bit of TVRness wrapped up into a comfortable, relatively, daily driver. I'm wondering if an F-Type might suit me better? The Aston is another option but they do seem super sensitive to mileage.

I understand technically that pretty much any Porsche would wipe the floor with an F-Type, but personally I think you have to be moving pretty quickly to have fun.

[JS1500]

I owned a Vantage (4.3) for a couple of years before my current 996 and I test drove an F-Type. They're all great cars to be honest, just depends what you want really - hard to go far wrong with a 911, F-Type or Vantage.
When you say the V8 Vantage is sensitive to mileage, what do you mean? It's a bulletproof engine, certainly compared to Porsche engines...(runs for cover)... Maybe you mean that when you add miles the value drops more significantly than other cars?

The Vantage is very special, feels very planted, handling very neutral, looks amazing, sounds glorious (remove Fuse 22)!
The F-Type - maybe it was because the salesman was riding shotgun but it didn't feel that 'special' to me, though does look fantastic I'm not sure it will age as well as the Vantage. It was the 3.0 S I drove.
Presuming a 997 feels a lot like a 996, this is a good thing! Most likely the better 'driver's car'.

For me it would be between a very nice 997 and an early 4.7 Vantage. Or an Evora S. Actually I'd have a 996 and pocket the extra £40k.

[finestjammy]

JS1500 said:

I owned a Vantage (4.3) for a couple of years before my current 996 and I test drove an F-Type. They're all great cars to be honest, just depends what you want really - hard to go far wrong with a 911, F-Type or Vantage.
When you say the V8 Vantage is sensitive to mileage, what do you mean? It's a bulletproof engine, certainly compared to Porsche engines...(runs for cover)... Maybe you mean that when you add miles the value drops more significantly than other cars?

The Vantage is very special, feels very planted, handling very neutral, looks amazing, sounds glorious (remove Fuse 22)!
The F-Type - maybe it was because the salesman was riding shotgun but it didn't feel that 'special' to me, though does look fantastic I'm not sure it will age as well as the Vantage. It was the 3.0 S I drove.
Presuming a 997 feels a lot like a 996, this is a good thing! Most likely the better 'driver's car'.

For me it would be between a very nice 997 and an early 4.7 Vantage. Or an Evora S. Actually I'd have a 996 and pocket the extra £40k.

Thanks for the repose, yes I meant that the Vantage values seem to plummet with mileage more so than Porsche. I've bought the Aston 'guide' and the reliability seems very good. Clutches seem to go quite quickly, but that's not necessarily a problem. I do love the looks too though. I have tickled the idea of a 997.2 S as they seem to a sweet spot for value/performance and hopefully will not deprecate too much.

Having said all that I drive back from the Yorkshire coast over the moors and loved every minute. Maybe a carnewal install might just add an extra bit of low(er) speed fun/drama

I can see absolute logic in a 996...but buying a car isn't always logical

[DanielLee5]

sonnenschein3000 said:

I don't know if you'll be happy with anything else after your Porsche.

Every other car feels unnessecarily large and heavy, and that a big engine, big brakes and adaptive suspension are there to partially compensate. However, the F-type *might* be good, i havent driven it.

I'd suggest either 981, or the 718(982) - or maybe going to a 911.

Agree!

[IMI A]

At £55k you can basically buy the best 997.2 C2S or C4S out there and they are virtually deprecation free if you buy the right car. You'll get a sub 10,000 mile car. I know where there may be a decent spec black on black C2S PDK Coupe with 1 owner and 10,000 miles for £52k - owners not actively looking to sell but would probably sell for this price to get into a GT3. Cost the owner £85k with options. I would have had the car if it was a manual but as good as PDK is just not for me..PM me if perhaps interested and I'll ask owner if he still may want to sell.

[finestjammy]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Correct. I might get a second car...but I'd really rather not as I know I'd always wanting to be driving the Porsche/Aston/F-Type. I know any car I go for will depreciate if I put 10k a year on it, it's just trying to minimise it as much as possible. It might be man maths, but I don't mind paying for fuel and maintenance (within reason), it's just the massive chunk of money it can lose over a couple of years or so.

[M7arthy]

finestjammy said:

Hi All

I think I've narrowed the desk top research down to the Vantage, F-Type, 981, 997.2 and 991

Edited by finestjammy on Saturday 15th April 15:14

I currently own an F-Type R Coupe,here are some of the positives and negatives.

Positives:

I think it looks stunning (subjective i know...)

Sounds amazing and pulls like a freight train


Negative:

Its heavy

it wants to kill you, has a very primitive traction control in my opinion, overly intrusive with the systems on

cabin quality is no where near a Porsche


That's why i got a 991 on order

[JS1500]

finestjammy said:

JS1500 said:

I owned a Vantage (4.3) for a couple of years before my current 996 and I test drove an F-Type. They're all great cars to be honest, just depends what you want really - hard to go far wrong with a 911, F-Type or Vantage.
When you say the V8 Vantage is sensitive to mileage, what do you mean? It's a bulletproof engine, certainly compared to Porsche engines...(runs for cover)... Maybe you mean that when you add miles the value drops more significantly than other cars?

The Vantage is very special, feels very planted, handling very neutral, looks amazing, sounds glorious (remove Fuse 22)!
The F-Type - maybe it was because the salesman was riding shotgun but it didn't feel that 'special' to me, though does look fantastic I'm not sure it will age as well as the Vantage. It was the 3.0 S I drove.
Presuming a 997 feels a lot like a 996, this is a good thing! Most likely the better 'driver's car'.

For me it would be between a very nice 997 and an early 4.7 Vantage. Or an Evora S. Actually I'd have a 996 and pocket the extra £40k.

Thanks for the repose, yes I meant that the Vantage values seem to plummet with mileage more so than Porsche. I've bought the Aston 'guide' and the reliability seems very good. Clutches seem to go quite quickly, but that's not necessarily a problem. I do love the looks too though. I have tickled the idea of a 997.2 S as they seem to a sweet spot for value/performance and hopefully will not deprecate too much.

Having said all that I drive back from the Yorkshire coast over the moors and loved every minute. Maybe a carnewal install might just add an extra bit of low(er) speed fun/drama

I can see absolute logic in a 996...but buying a car isn't always logical

I remember someone asking Bamford Rose (top Aston specialists) how many of the V8s they'd had come in for a rebuild - the answer was none, except for race car engines. Another story for the V12 though.

Yes, Vantage values are more sensitive to a higher mileage but this can work in your favour to a degree.
I bought a ridiculously high mileage (according to most who just look at them and give them a polish) Vantage on 52k miles and got it for a good price. I added another 11.5k over 26 months and didn't lose too much money on it.
You're right about the clutches on them - I've heard of some going at less than 15k miles and cost £3.5k+ to replace. Maybe it depends on how you drive as mine was still on the original clutch at 63.5k miles when sold. Highest mileage on original clutch that I heard of was 70-something-k. Mine could've lasted as long as it did as the one previous owner before me used it for a longish motorway commute and not stop/start driving.

Forgot to say about the F-Type, the interior materials put me off slightly. It's nice in the cabin but on closer inspection it seemed to have the same kind of materials as my mum's Freelander. Nice enough but I just wanted something a bit 'more'.

I've had a realisation lately that the 997 is a very attractive car. I think it's up there with the 993 (almost).
I'd be very happy to have a 997 next..
Or with your budget perhaps an early V8 Vantage with a Bamford Rose 5.0 engine...

[ooid]

This is all you need than (993 + 986 combo)

Semi-daily: (Air-cooled)



Ultimate-daily; (Water-cooled)



- I doubt having both of these -on good condition- would exceed your budget!

[Rotty]

finestjammy said:

How does the performance of the F-Type compare to your Cayman? Broadly similar?

I don't really drive that quickly, I think that's the only downside to the Cayman. In my opinion you have to be driving really quite quickly for it to be fun. I also have a TVR Chimaera, but I haven't used it for two years as the other half hates it and I need to get round to selling it. It is extremely good fun at 20mph though, ridiculous engine noise and pops and crackles. No chance I'd use it as a daily. It's like a good night out, a blast, noisy, hot and sometimes a little scary, I wouldn't want to do it every night though.

I think what I'm coming to the conclusion is that I'd like a little bit of TVRness wrapped up into a comfortable, relatively, daily driver. I'm wondering if an F-Type might suit me better? The Aston is another option but they do seem super sensitive to mileage.

I understand technically that pretty much any Porsche would wipe the floor with an F-Type, but personally I think you have to be moving pretty quickly to have fun.

The Ftype feels quite considerably quicker, how much of that is real and how much is due to the more "theatrical" style of the Jag who knows

[finestjammy]

JS1500 said:

I remember someone asking Bamford Rose (top Aston specialists) how many of the V8s they'd had come in for a rebuild - the answer was none, except for race car engines. Another story for the V12 though.

Yes, Vantage values are more sensitive to a higher mileage but this can work in your favour to a degree.
I bought a ridiculously high mileage (according to most who just look at them and give them a polish) Vantage on 52k miles and got it for a good price. I added another 11.5k over 26 months and didn't lose too much money on it.
You're right about the clutches on them - I've heard of some going at less than 15k miles and cost £3.5k+ to replace. Maybe it depends on how you drive as mine was still on the original clutch at 63.5k miles when sold. Highest mileage on original clutch that I heard of was 70-something-k. Mine could've lasted as long as it did as the one previous owner before me used it for a longish motorway commute and not stop/start driving.

Forgot to say about the F-Type, the interior materials put me off slightly. It's nice in the cabin but on closer inspection it seemed to have the same kind of materials as my mum's Freelander. Nice enough but I just wanted something a bit 'more'.

I've had a realisation lately that the 997 is a very attractive car. I think it's up there with the 993 (almost).
I'd be very happy to have a 997 next..
Or with your budget perhaps an early V8 Vantage with a Bamford Rose 5.0 engine...

Hmm, just looked at the Bamford Rose site. Buy a 4.3, put their performance exhaust on and I think that would be a fantastic car. 3 way switchable exhaust for quiet cruising or biblical noise Near as makes no difference the same performance, especially with a bit of a weight reduction, as a 4.7. I need to try an Aston again as it was some years ago that I last drove one.