Would you buy this?

[rayyan171]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

I'm not looking to buy this but found it on auto trader. It's priced low because high mileage and fail on MOT. Hasn't appeared to sell for a long time. Further checks show that it fails on low and high idle emissions but the description states that it drives fine otherwise.

Thought it would be interesting for discussion. Could this be bought and someone make a possible profit/at least get a working car?

[aspirated]

If it's such an easy, profitable opportunity, why don't they fit a new exhaust, MOT and sell it?

[SidewaysSi]

No I wouldn't. Probably a bit worn and would cost the earth in running costs.

And I don't particularly like the M6 to be honest.

[Davie]

aspirated said:

If it's such an easy, profitable opportunity, why don't they fit a new exhaust, MOT and sell it?

Failed on emissions... probably more to it or yes, you'd assume it'd be fixed.

History suggests emissions were a struggle for the past couple of years and the EML was on previously.

Story car that one.

[parabolica]

"Failed on emissions" could mean any number of things; when my 6 series failed under similar circumstances it was valve stem oil seals and the local indy wanted £5k+ to break the engine and replace anything as required; that was the 4.4 V8 so I would imagine the cost of doing the same to the V10 would be astronomical. It's on sale cheap for a reason - only for the brave imo.

[Order66]

"appreciating modern classic" my arse

"ugly money-pit barge" I could believe

[Monkeylegend]

If it was simple to fix it would be fixed, MOT'd and sold at a vast profit.

[Trabi601]

Davie said:

Failed on emissions... probably more to it or yes, you'd assume it'd be fixed.

History suggests emissions were a struggle for the past couple of years and the EML was on previously.

Story car that one.

This. Emissions noted as an issue for 3 years in a row is not a good sign.

ETA: Already been discussed.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Magic919]

Looks like oil behind the passenger seat.

[mrwonderful]

it's been advised multiple times for an oil leak and EML coming on, along with picture 9 displaying what appears to be a 4 litre oil bottle behind the passenger seat Sounds like serious engine/sensor problems. Not a good plan.

[trickywoo]

Sounds like a fundamental engine problem likely requiring a fairly substantial rebuild.

Seems to be £4K + cheaper than the next cheapest runner so you have to assume that even for a specialist having guys working on it in down time it'll cost more than that in parts to fix.

[FourWheelDrift]

They're not much more when working properly, £14-16k will get a lower mileage car that's passed it's MOT.

[trickywoo]

parabolica said:

"Failed on emissions" could mean any number of things; when my 6 series failed under similar circumstances it was valve stem oil seals and the local indy wanted £5k+

Quite a few people will now do the valve stem seals for £1k - £1.5k on the N62 but I can't see major work on the V10 ever being cheap. Who knows? £11k is a big punt to take either way.

[parabolica]

trickywoo said:

parabolica said:

"Failed on emissions" could mean any number of things; when my 6 series failed under similar circumstances it was valve stem oil seals and the local indy wanted £5k+

Quite a few people will now do the valve stem seals for £1k - £1.5k on the N62 but I can't see major work on the V10 ever being cheap. Who knows? £11k is a big punt to take either way.

This was a year ago and the lowest quote I got was £3k, and even then the specialist had a 3-month waiting list, and the £3k covered the VSOS only - they reckoned there would be more to remedy. You can buy a DIY kit (thread on here somewhere) but I wouldn't attempt such a thing with the V10.

ETA I never got my 645 fixed - got it past its MOT and traded it in immediately.

[aspirated]

Imagine the fun you could have with it if you rebuilt engines for a living, that old school F1 style wailing V10 will always be up there as one of the greatest

[rayyan171]

Magic919 said:

Looks like oil behind the passenger seat.

These cars have always consumed oil to be honest so no surprise that it's there.

[nct001]

Having worked for a BMW dealership for years - it will never cease to amaze me...

Just how much traders pay in auctions for non running or declared faulty m5s or m6s

And then take them to main dealerships or independents and genuinely think they are going to get an M5 that won't start (with a ceased engine) fixed for the cost of a diagnostic and a camshaft sensor.

It really really really beggars belief the utter rubbish the trade buys, the money they see it at and how they underestimate the costs of repairs!

[rayyan171]

The yanks online suggest that it may well be just some faulty sensors, bad MAF or thermostat, EGR. I guess the EGR could be another issue that may be hard to solve as it's a complex system with many sensors.

However, generally the early 6 series did have a lot of issues as it was kind of BMW's pioneering modern GT car. The later models benefitted from increased reliability, including the M6.

[andymc]

its fked and i cant believe people are talking about it, I like the 2 litres of oil in the passenger footwell

[andymc]

its also quite obviously fked as you'd just put it to auction