GT4 v 997 Gen 2 Turbo
Discussion
Bit of help with a buying decision please. What do you think the best buy is:
2016 GT4 with Clubsport pack, low mileage (haven't found a specific car yet but let's say it's priced accordingly @ circa £90k
Or
2010 997 Gen 2 Turbo Guards Red (1 owner, 7k miles). £80k. Actual car
Also, there's enough GT4's out there to gauge what a good price is but any thoughts on the 997 where there's so few for sale, especially low mileage, owner etc ?
Although I'm not buying as an investment, the justification to myself for having a depreciating asset which I only drive infrequently (but take to the Ring once a year) is strong residuals - what do you reckon?
Cheers
2016 GT4 with Clubsport pack, low mileage (haven't found a specific car yet but let's say it's priced accordingly @ circa £90k
Or
2010 997 Gen 2 Turbo Guards Red (1 owner, 7k miles). £80k. Actual car
Also, there's enough GT4's out there to gauge what a good price is but any thoughts on the 997 where there's so few for sale, especially low mileage, owner etc ?
Although I'm not buying as an investment, the justification to myself for having a depreciating asset which I only drive infrequently (but take to the Ring once a year) is strong residuals - what do you reckon?
Cheers
My opinion. Perhaps not non-biased considering i am 4 weeks into GT4 ownership and haven't ever driven the 997 turbo, but anyway...
Price seems ok on the turbo considering light use.
Very different cars. Have you had a good look at them in the flesh? For me the 997 is beginning to get a bit dated and the tech/infotainment will drive you mad (if that even is a consideration). The GT4 cabin is a lovely place to be and those 918 seats are stunning.
The 997 will become a 'classic' soon enough but the GT badge gives you a slight head start. I believe GT4 prices will dip by c.£10k over the next 6-8 months before stabilising/recovering a bit next spring/summer, this is taking into consideration the new model being launched and the seasonal nature of these cars. If you decide to go for a GT4 then you're better off waiting, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of stock so worst case prices stay where they are.
You've also got your choice of colours with the GT4 whereas it sounds more limited for the right 997.
I was with a friend of a friend last weekend who said the 997 turbo was the only car he has ever bought and sold almost immediately. He said the performance overstretched the car and he simply didn't feel safe driving it. Compared to the GT4 which is not brutally quick but so engaging. The grip and balance of the GT4 is so good.
As i said at the start not non-biased but hopefully a few points will help stimulate some of your own thoughts...
Price seems ok on the turbo considering light use.
Very different cars. Have you had a good look at them in the flesh? For me the 997 is beginning to get a bit dated and the tech/infotainment will drive you mad (if that even is a consideration). The GT4 cabin is a lovely place to be and those 918 seats are stunning.
The 997 will become a 'classic' soon enough but the GT badge gives you a slight head start. I believe GT4 prices will dip by c.£10k over the next 6-8 months before stabilising/recovering a bit next spring/summer, this is taking into consideration the new model being launched and the seasonal nature of these cars. If you decide to go for a GT4 then you're better off waiting, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of stock so worst case prices stay where they are.
You've also got your choice of colours with the GT4 whereas it sounds more limited for the right 997.
I was with a friend of a friend last weekend who said the 997 turbo was the only car he has ever bought and sold almost immediately. He said the performance overstretched the car and he simply didn't feel safe driving it. Compared to the GT4 which is not brutally quick but so engaging. The grip and balance of the GT4 is so good.
As i said at the start not non-biased but hopefully a few points will help stimulate some of your own thoughts...
Is the turbo manual?The problem with the 9A1 engined turbo is that all 911s are turbo now so for £25k more you get a 450hp Gts which with 2wd makes it a better car!
The manual mezger turbo will be more of a classic with prices set to rise in the future whereas the 9A1 version will depreciate accordingly.
Have you driven a turbo? Looking at your previous cars I think you may enjoy the gt4 more!
The manual mezger turbo will be more of a classic with prices set to rise in the future whereas the 9A1 version will depreciate accordingly.
Have you driven a turbo? Looking at your previous cars I think you may enjoy the gt4 more!
One must know inside if the lust is for a GT4 or a 911 turbo !
I could see a post if the question was 997GT3 or a GT4 , that's a tough call, but Turbo vs GT4. You already know the answer befor posting.
If you don't know then buy the turbo, people know if they want a GT style car imo,
And only you know why you sold the Cayman R and GT3 , would that be a clue ?
I could see a post if the question was 997GT3 or a GT4 , that's a tough call, but Turbo vs GT4. You already know the answer befor posting.
If you don't know then buy the turbo, people know if they want a GT style car imo,
And only you know why you sold the Cayman R and GT3 , would that be a clue ?
Impossible to call as such different cars. What's the use ? Daily Driver or Weekend's only ? Is the 997 a Turbo or a Turbo S ? I imagine the latter at that price but you never know these days.
Last couple of Turbo S's have sold very quickly...Redline had a Dark Red one a couple of weeks ago which went in a couple of days. Advertised for £85k IIRC.
Last couple of Turbo S's have sold very quickly...Redline had a Dark Red one a couple of weeks ago which went in a couple of days. Advertised for £85k IIRC.
If the turbo is a manual I'd go for the turbo day night long. Very rare the manual gen 997 turbo. Probably less than 30 RHD UK supplied gen 2 manuals in the UK. How many GT4s did they build?
Even if PDK I might still go for the turbo - would need to drive them both to decide as not a fan of any auto so the GT4 would probably get the nod I think by default but don't like what I hear about it running out of puff around 5000 rpm onwards when this is where a GT car should shine.
Even if PDK I might still go for the turbo - would need to drive them both to decide as not a fan of any auto so the GT4 would probably get the nod I think by default but don't like what I hear about it running out of puff around 5000 rpm onwards when this is where a GT car should shine.
Good observation - I like to think of myself as a wannabe racing driver but with my 15 stone frame and bad back, I'm far from it . The GT3 was too hardcore for me and with the CR (magnificent car), I always felt in the shadow of the GT4 and to be blunt, I could afford more.
I've had a 6 month run in a Bentley Continental GT Speed which is another magnificent car but not for me.
I've never had a Porsche Turbo (apart from a 944 Cab) but always think 'wow' when I see one and I don't see it as the boring option despite the 'everyday supercar' tag.
Both cars excite me and I suspect depreciation over the next 5 years will be similar (maybe £20k).
Leaning towards the GT4, might toss a coin.........
I've had a 6 month run in a Bentley Continental GT Speed which is another magnificent car but not for me.
I've never had a Porsche Turbo (apart from a 944 Cab) but always think 'wow' when I see one and I don't see it as the boring option despite the 'everyday supercar' tag.
Both cars excite me and I suspect depreciation over the next 5 years will be similar (maybe £20k).
Leaning towards the GT4, might toss a coin.........
Cheib said:
Impossible to call as such different cars. What's the use ? Daily Driver or Weekend's only ? Is the 997 a Turbo or a Turbo S ? I imagine the latter at that price but you never know these days.
Last couple of Turbo S's have sold very quickly...Redline had a Dark Red one a couple of weeks ago which went in a couple of days. Advertised for £85k IIRC.
Last couple of Turbo S's have sold very quickly...Redline had a Dark Red one a couple of weeks ago which went in a couple of days. Advertised for £85k IIRC.
Weekend only but Ring once a year for a week. Maybe 4k miles and it's not an S - wouldn't get a one owner, 7k mileage S for this money I think...
CaymANTH said:
Good observation - I like to think of myself as a wannabe racing driver but with my 15 stone frame and bad back, I'm far from it . The GT3 was too hardcore for me and with the CR (magnificent car), I always felt in the shadow of the GT4 and to be blunt, I could afford more.
I've had a 6 month run in a Bentley Continental GT Speed which is another magnificent car but not for me.
I've never had a Porsche Turbo (apart from a 944 Cab) but always think 'wow' when I see one and I don't see it as the boring option despite the 'everyday supercar' tag.
Both cars excite me and I suspect depreciation over the next 5 years will be similar (maybe £20k).
Leaning towards the GT4, might toss a coin.........
Can't see any good 997 like above depreciating or appreciating for that matter - maybe sweet spot between old and new - free motoring on a low miles 997 all the way up to 30,000 miles i imagine? Not sure re GT4 as not followed the GT market but if previous GT cars anything to go by a sure fire classic with the potential to appreciate?I've had a 6 month run in a Bentley Continental GT Speed which is another magnificent car but not for me.
I've never had a Porsche Turbo (apart from a 944 Cab) but always think 'wow' when I see one and I don't see it as the boring option despite the 'everyday supercar' tag.
Both cars excite me and I suspect depreciation over the next 5 years will be similar (maybe £20k).
Leaning towards the GT4, might toss a coin.........
They really are different beasts, and any selection is down to personal choice and use. You need to try out a 997.2 Turbo and check out the interior/exterior looks, noise, handling, performance and intended use v GT4.
The 997.2 turbo is a semi practical and serious all weather performance weapon; point and squirt with pdk and a little more involved with manual. Classic Porsche inside and out. Definitely a very special daily, but not as desirable nor as special as a GT4.
The 997.2 turbo is a semi practical and serious all weather performance weapon; point and squirt with pdk and a little more involved with manual. Classic Porsche inside and out. Definitely a very special daily, but not as desirable nor as special as a GT4.
I've had many Porsches over many years, including a new 997 Turbo S which I owned for 3 years and a GT4 I've had for a year. But, very different cars and not really comparable IMO.
Now, I know the Turbos have their followers, but I found it quite disappointing. Astonishingly fast and competent, but also quite clinical and not as rewarding to drive as a good n/a 911 - dull engine note and too much road noise. PDK also made it feel too much like an Auto. A 6-spd Manual Turbo, is probably a nicer more involving drive. Although, in hindsight, a 997 GTS manual or a 991S PDK would have probably suited me more than the Turbo.
The GT4 is so much more engaging, and far more fun in most real world driving situations. It has the 'old school' Porsche character that made Porsches so special in the past - it delivers that 'feel good' factor whenever you get into it, and I would say easier to live with than a GT3. Awesome on track, also.
I do have a GT3 coming in Sept, but I'll probably keep the GT4 - I suspect it's performance might be more accessible.
Now, I know the Turbos have their followers, but I found it quite disappointing. Astonishingly fast and competent, but also quite clinical and not as rewarding to drive as a good n/a 911 - dull engine note and too much road noise. PDK also made it feel too much like an Auto. A 6-spd Manual Turbo, is probably a nicer more involving drive. Although, in hindsight, a 997 GTS manual or a 991S PDK would have probably suited me more than the Turbo.
The GT4 is so much more engaging, and far more fun in most real world driving situations. It has the 'old school' Porsche character that made Porsches so special in the past - it delivers that 'feel good' factor whenever you get into it, and I would say easier to live with than a GT3. Awesome on track, also.
I do have a GT3 coming in Sept, but I'll probably keep the GT4 - I suspect it's performance might be more accessible.
Be interesting to see what you go for. For your type of usage I'd go for the GT4. Its a no brainer even though I haven't driven a GT4.
For school runs and then off to work straight after etc 15000 miles a year the turbo would be a no brainer. Too quiet and dull otherwise but an amazing competent every day sports car. Not important but turbo would blow the doors off a GT4 or any car really on our less than average roads.
For school runs and then off to work straight after etc 15000 miles a year the turbo would be a no brainer. Too quiet and dull otherwise but an amazing competent every day sports car. Not important but turbo would blow the doors off a GT4 or any car really on our less than average roads.
CaymANTH said:
Good observation - I like to think of myself as a wannabe racing driver but with my 15 stone frame and bad back, I'm far from it . The GT3 was too hardcore for me and with the CR (magnificent car), I always felt in the shadow of the GT4 and to be blunt, I could afford more.
I've had a 6 month run in a Bentley Continental GT Speed which is another magnificent car but not for me.
I've never had a Porsche Turbo (apart from a 944 Cab) but always think 'wow' when I see one and I don't see it as the boring option despite the 'everyday supercar' tag.
Both cars excite me and I suspect depreciation over the next 5 years will be similar (maybe £20k).
Leaning towards the GT4, might toss a coin.........
If you sold the R because you can afford more, then again buy a Turbo, neither the turbo or the GT4 is as fun as the R so for posing the Turbo wins it's a 911. I've had a 6 month run in a Bentley Continental GT Speed which is another magnificent car but not for me.
I've never had a Porsche Turbo (apart from a 944 Cab) but always think 'wow' when I see one and I don't see it as the boring option despite the 'everyday supercar' tag.
Both cars excite me and I suspect depreciation over the next 5 years will be similar (maybe £20k).
Leaning towards the GT4, might toss a coin.........
Desert Dragon said:
Be interesting to see what you go for. For your type of usage I'd go for the GT4. Its a no brainer even though I haven't driven a GT4.
For school runs and then off to work straight after etc 15000 miles a year the turbo would be a no brainer. Too quiet and dull otherwise but an amazing competent every day sports car. Not important but turbo would blow the doors off a GT4 or any car really on our less than average roads.
Agreed but a quick exhaust change makes the turbo a right giggle ...For school runs and then off to work straight after etc 15000 miles a year the turbo would be a no brainer. Too quiet and dull otherwise but an amazing competent every day sports car. Not important but turbo would blow the doors off a GT4 or any car really on our less than average roads.
https://youtu.be/4xKoUnD21Qw
tjlees said:
Desert Dragon said:
Be interesting to see what you go for. For your type of usage I'd go for the GT4. Its a no brainer even though I haven't driven a GT4.
For school runs and then off to work straight after etc 15000 miles a year the turbo would be a no brainer. Too quiet and dull otherwise but an amazing competent every day sports car. Not important but turbo would blow the doors off a GT4 or any car really on our less than average roads.
Agreed but a quick exhaust change makes the turbo a right giggle ...For school runs and then off to work straight after etc 15000 miles a year the turbo would be a no brainer. Too quiet and dull otherwise but an amazing competent every day sports car. Not important but turbo would blow the doors off a GT4 or any car really on our less than average roads.
https://youtu.be/4xKoUnD21Qw
Both cars are great but different in how they deliver sensational performance.
I had a 997 Turbo gen 1.5 manual which was great, very quick and safe you could take it for a blast and get the grin factor and the manual box made a big difference it gave you much more involvement. I would have another !. I changed it for a 997 gen 2 Turbo S with PDK which again a good car but as others have said clinical, it will get you from place A to place B very quickly but you don't get the same grin factor.
I now have a GT4 which is very involving and a great drive, it could do with another 50 BHP and shorter gear ratios otherwise spot on, with it being smaller you can hustle it around back roads and it is great fun. It comes alive sooner than a 991 GT3 so you can get your thrills without risking losing your licence.
If you want to do a lot of motorway work take the Turbo it eats long distances.
Suggest you try both before making a decision
Geoff
Thanks folks. I think I'd get bored with clinical pretty quickly (that's why I've never owned a GTR) and leaning heavily towards the GT4. The one I've been to see is at Alexanders Prestige in Boroughbridge. Slight complication in that my head has been turned by the two Ferrari 360's they have in. Had one previously - not ridiculously fast but sensational to drive. Will be doing the deal tomorrow but still not sure which one I'll go for.......
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