That amazing V12
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There's another thread going and someone mentioned getting a Ferrari V12 before they were priced out of the market. One of the main reasons I joined the club was the Aston V12. Honestly couldn't see myself ever purchasing an Aston with a V8. And having experienced it I'll always have a v12. Just an amazing engine and so smooth. And when you pop that bonnet (excuse me for a second - having a moment) Just me, and haven't looked at specs but seems that Aston is longer stroke vs Ferrari, Lambo and such. Aston more of a cruiser V12 than a high revving screamer. Although I can't count the number of times I've hit the limiter. Are the other brands more peaky in that you need to keep them in the upper rpm range to really enjoy? Aston is just a brute and seems that when I'm in on my favorite roads 3rd gear can pretty much handle anything.
Edited by old phart on Saturday 20th May 14:58
I have a lot of experience in this non aston manual V12 .
She prefers revs , the suspension is actually really good . The chassis is absolutely fantastic , extremely adjustable on the throttle , slides like a learners car . The gearbox is truly good , matches the engine perfectly and can be hustled once warm . Back to the engine , the engine is driveable but the noise and ferocity certainly get better the further up the rev range you go .its very noisy with the roof on , where the engine is bolted directly the reverberations are pretty interesting at times . In short I'd agree with you , the more modern v12 ferraris ive driven have pretty revvy natures .
The graphs below seem to back up my bum dyno.
The 599 engine (the car discussed on the other thread) is I believe a development of the Enzo engine . The Enzo again is pretty revvy in nature from memory , I don't don't remember much about the 599mbut I remember it not being as powerful as the Enzo and maybe a little more grunt lower down but that could just be my skewed and addled mind .
She prefers revs , the suspension is actually really good . The chassis is absolutely fantastic , extremely adjustable on the throttle , slides like a learners car . The gearbox is truly good , matches the engine perfectly and can be hustled once warm . Back to the engine , the engine is driveable but the noise and ferocity certainly get better the further up the rev range you go .its very noisy with the roof on , where the engine is bolted directly the reverberations are pretty interesting at times . In short I'd agree with you , the more modern v12 ferraris ive driven have pretty revvy natures .
The graphs below seem to back up my bum dyno.
The 599 engine (the car discussed on the other thread) is I believe a development of the Enzo engine . The Enzo again is pretty revvy in nature from memory , I don't don't remember much about the 599mbut I remember it not being as powerful as the Enzo and maybe a little more grunt lower down but that could just be my skewed and addled mind .
For a real feeling of your beloved Aston V12 Steve, you could try sitting on top of it.
I would have expected this to be done in the USA, but this gentleman is In Germany.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X28Uo_DCUsI
Jon39 said:
For a real feeling of your beloved Aston V12 Steve, you could try sitting on top of it.
I would have expected this to be done in the USA, but this gentleman is In Germany.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X28Uo_DCUsI
Ha! in the US we'd put it in a tractor and Turbo/Supercharge it.I would have expected this to be done in the USA, but this gentleman is In Germany.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X28Uo_DCUsI
It was me that brought up the suggestion.. not saying Ferrari V12 is better or worse but rather why not try one out. It's an option. I've driven the 599 for about a week, and also the DB9, DBS and Vanquish S (first gen), all as manuals. I now own a V12V and did own a Bentley GT Speed for five years. My impression is that the road tests of the era were pretty accurate. The 599 is sharper as a driving car and the Enzo derived engine is fantastic. Yes it is more revvy, but actually produces more torque than the DBS at slightly lower revs, and weighs less. So if you imagine the DBS engine but that it likes to keep on revving up to 8500rpm, and produces an extra 100bhp in the process, then that's what it's like.
But the Aston V12 in DBS or Vanquish or V12V form is obviously still terrific and sounds great and the car's overall ownership wow factor is huge. It's just in that other thread people are discussing what AM V12 to get in price territory that will also get them a 599. Why not give it a go while you make your mind up? When I was a kid then the chance of adding Ferrari ownership to AM ownership in my 'done' column, even if only for a year or two, with little risk of huge depreciation, would have been an impossible dream.
But the Aston V12 in DBS or Vanquish or V12V form is obviously still terrific and sounds great and the car's overall ownership wow factor is huge. It's just in that other thread people are discussing what AM V12 to get in price territory that will also get them a 599. Why not give it a go while you make your mind up? When I was a kid then the chance of adding Ferrari ownership to AM ownership in my 'done' column, even if only for a year or two, with little risk of huge depreciation, would have been an impossible dream.
spyker138 said:
It was me that brought up the suggestion.. not saying Ferrari V12 is better or worse but rather why not try one out. It's an option. I've driven the 599 for about a week, and also the DB9, DBS and Vanquish S (first gen), all as manuals. I now own a V12V and did own a Bentley GT Speed for five years. My impression is that the road tests of the era were pretty accurate. The 599 is sharper as a driving car and the Enzo derived engine is fantastic. Yes it is more revvy, but actually produces more torque than the DBS at slightly lower revs, and weighs less. So if you imagine the DBS engine but that it likes to keep on revving up to 8500rpm, and produces an extra 100bhp in the process, then that's what it's like.
But the Aston V12 in DBS or Vanquish or V12V form is obviously still terrific and sounds great and the car's overall ownership wow factor is huge. It's just in that other thread people are discussing what AM V12 to get in price territory that will also get them a 599. Why not give it a go while you make your mind up? When I was a kid then the chance of adding Ferrari ownership to AM ownership in my 'done' column, even if only for a year or two, with little risk of huge depreciation, would have been an impossible dream.
Great post But the Aston V12 in DBS or Vanquish or V12V form is obviously still terrific and sounds great and the car's overall ownership wow factor is huge. It's just in that other thread people are discussing what AM V12 to get in price territory that will also get them a 599. Why not give it a go while you make your mind up? When I was a kid then the chance of adding Ferrari ownership to AM ownership in my 'done' column, even if only for a year or two, with little risk of huge depreciation, would have been an impossible dream.
Hope I didn't come across as saying one was better than the other. I'm thinking maybe it has to do with their roots. Ferrari from the race side and Aston from the domestic as to their bore/stroke and rpm limits. Have to say I've always loved the sound of a high revving V12. And when I finally buy my crossover pipe I'm hoping to get a little higher pitch. When I was shopping for my first 'real car' I wanted paddles and a V12. Yeah, I know, real men have three pedals, but I just get tired of having to shift ALL the time. The Aston was in my price range and I went for it. I'm a happy camper for now. But looking ahead about four years I may be in the same position as you. Looking to move up.
Good luck on your adventure. Always enjoy hearing other's thoughts and experiences.
And Mr wtdoom I must say I absolutely love that you drive all your cars. Yes, a bit jealous, but well done. You seem to be like that Watch guy on Jay Leno's garage that has a ton of Ferrari's but takes them all out on the road. I'm still a little kid when out and about and I see an Aston, Ferrari, Lotus, .....
Always a bit disappointed when I see a low profile coming my way and it turns out to be a Corvette. Although I am liking the newer models.
Good luck on your adventure. Always enjoy hearing other's thoughts and experiences.
And Mr wtdoom I must say I absolutely love that you drive all your cars. Yes, a bit jealous, but well done. You seem to be like that Watch guy on Jay Leno's garage that has a ton of Ferrari's but takes them all out on the road. I'm still a little kid when out and about and I see an Aston, Ferrari, Lotus, .....
Always a bit disappointed when I see a low profile coming my way and it turns out to be a Corvette. Although I am liking the newer models.
Edited by old phart on Sunday 21st May 00:35
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