HELP! Advice on modified 1970 Giulia 1300ti
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I am going to view a 1970 Giulia on Monday having completely fallen for the way the car looks (it has been modified). Never owned a classic before and want to go in with my eyes very much open. The car will be inspected before any purchase so I am fairly relaxed about the oily bits.
What I would like is your thoughts on the model designation and engine choice, just to make sure that anyone who knows Alfas (unlike me) wouldn't look at it and immediately be put off by the basics or find it to be outrageously overpriced. Anything ring alarm bells from the following?
1970 Giuilia 1300ti, LHD imported two years ago from Italy, lightly restored since import (respray, interior refresh, new rear floorpan, Alfaholics bits etc.). Engine rebuilt to "1300 Super" specification. 65,000km.
£18,000 or nearest offer.
Thanks for your help!
What I would like is your thoughts on the model designation and engine choice, just to make sure that anyone who knows Alfas (unlike me) wouldn't look at it and immediately be put off by the basics or find it to be outrageously overpriced. Anything ring alarm bells from the following?
1970 Giuilia 1300ti, LHD imported two years ago from Italy, lightly restored since import (respray, interior refresh, new rear floorpan, Alfaholics bits etc.). Engine rebuilt to "1300 Super" specification. 65,000km.
£18,000 or nearest offer.
Thanks for your help!
Are you happy with a modified classic?
Are you happy to pay for somebody else's choice of modifications?
Are you happy with LHD ?
You will probably find the 1300 engine rather gutless.
I like these cars but I would be looking for a 1600 RHD
and one that has not been modified.
If I wanted modifications then I'd look for one with, or fit a 1750 or 2000 engine.
and a limited slip diff. IIRC the rear axle ratio from a 2 litre is higher and will give you a much more pleasant cruising experience than the standard 1300 and its diff.
I do understand the better tyre choice, but in 1970 they were on 14" wheels
and IMO 15" with low-ish profile tyres look wrong.
Are you happy to pay for somebody else's choice of modifications?
Are you happy with LHD ?
You will probably find the 1300 engine rather gutless.
I like these cars but I would be looking for a 1600 RHD
and one that has not been modified.
If I wanted modifications then I'd look for one with, or fit a 1750 or 2000 engine.
and a limited slip diff. IIRC the rear axle ratio from a 2 litre is higher and will give you a much more pleasant cruising experience than the standard 1300 and its diff.
I do understand the better tyre choice, but in 1970 they were on 14" wheels
and IMO 15" with low-ish profile tyres look wrong.
A few points -
It is a lovely "revvy" engine, but as Elderly already mentioned, the 1300 engine is a little bit under-powered. The 1600 engine has the same character,with a reasonable dollop of extra power. The 1750 & 2 litre motors have more power and torque, but don't have the same "revvy" characteristics.
I personally find the Giulia to be the best/most involving drive in this format - I mean compared with the GT Junior & Spider - especially if it has had an Alfaholics fast road kit.
Prices of all classic cars are rising, and Giulias are commanding prices up to and even slightly beyond the price you quoted. I would want the car to be pretty much perfect for that sort of money.
I wouldn't worry too much about the oily bits - you can still get all the parts you need - good bodywork is critical on these cars, especially at that price.
I'm in Belgium otherwise I'd say come and have a go in mine (I've got both 1300 & 1600 Giulias, 1600 & 1750 GT's, and a 2 litre Spider) before you make your choice. I'm in the Oxford area about once a month - if you like I'll bring one over for you have a go.
(If it helps, I enjoy driving the 1600 Giulia most of all)
If you can provide a link to the advert (PM it to me if you don't want to post it here) I might be able to help more.
It is a lovely "revvy" engine, but as Elderly already mentioned, the 1300 engine is a little bit under-powered. The 1600 engine has the same character,with a reasonable dollop of extra power. The 1750 & 2 litre motors have more power and torque, but don't have the same "revvy" characteristics.
I personally find the Giulia to be the best/most involving drive in this format - I mean compared with the GT Junior & Spider - especially if it has had an Alfaholics fast road kit.
Prices of all classic cars are rising, and Giulias are commanding prices up to and even slightly beyond the price you quoted. I would want the car to be pretty much perfect for that sort of money.
I wouldn't worry too much about the oily bits - you can still get all the parts you need - good bodywork is critical on these cars, especially at that price.
I'm in Belgium otherwise I'd say come and have a go in mine (I've got both 1300 & 1600 Giulias, 1600 & 1750 GT's, and a 2 litre Spider) before you make your choice. I'm in the Oxford area about once a month - if you like I'll bring one over for you have a go.
(If it helps, I enjoy driving the 1600 Giulia most of all)
If you can provide a link to the advert (PM it to me if you don't want to post it here) I might be able to help more.
Here sold recently : http://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2017-05...
Similar price RHD and a 1600.
Engine rebuilt by a reputable specialist - I don't know what the bodywork was like.
Similar price RHD and a 1600.
Engine rebuilt by a reputable specialist - I don't know what the bodywork was like.
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