Sagaris in evo
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at the moment but one of the best reviews yet
Good review.. but a second opinion from RM.. states that he never feels the Sagaris is convincingly,decisively faster than it's sibling the T350.. more muscular yes,but not a major step-on in TVR performance terms.
But could be because it's more user-friendly, exploitable dynamics makes the Sag feel a little bit more manageable..
But could be because it's more user-friendly, exploitable dynamics makes the Sag feel a little bit more manageable..
It's hard to please evo (unless you're Porsche 
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If the Sagaris had been any more hardcore evo would have given it 4 stars stating that it needed to mature blah blah blah.
But because TVR have made a great step in refining the Sagaris (more 911 like maybe?) then it gets marked down for not being as hardcore as the cars of old.
This is a 5 star I reckon and once it is group tested I hope evo will do the right thing
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Good read though and loved the speed 12 review
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Duncan
). If the Sagaris had been any more hardcore evo would have given it 4 stars stating that it needed to mature blah blah blah.
But because TVR have made a great step in refining the Sagaris (more 911 like maybe?) then it gets marked down for not being as hardcore as the cars of old.
This is a 5 star I reckon and once it is group tested I hope evo will do the right thing
. Good read though and loved the speed 12 review
. Duncan
I cant help but feel they'll go back on some of the critisims of the Sagaris handling once they actually have a car lined up to compare it to.
To be honest, after some of the cars they test, I often think that their comments about straight line performance and such are inaccurate because they have no real context in which to work with.
Line it up next to a rival (that isnt more expensive, autocar...) and then try and claim that 400bhp in something that light doesnt feel quite as savage as previous cars.
I would be suprised if, given some of the comments on here of demo cars - they dont re-consider some of thier critisms. From what I have heard, it seems like a truly exploitable TVR that takes a step up in handling from the already superb T350.
To be honest, after some of the cars they test, I often think that their comments about straight line performance and such are inaccurate because they have no real context in which to work with.
Line it up next to a rival (that isnt more expensive, autocar...) and then try and claim that 400bhp in something that light doesnt feel quite as savage as previous cars.
I would be suprised if, given some of the comments on here of demo cars - they dont re-consider some of thier critisms. From what I have heard, it seems like a truly exploitable TVR that takes a step up in handling from the already superb T350.
I haven't read the review, but I have driven a Sagaris.
I loved it, but it didn't feel blisteringly quick. In fact, I was asked 'that's not flat out is it' by the passenger at the time.
I couldn't work out whether it was just so planted it felt slower that it was, or whether it wasn't that quick.
The Tuscan IIS certainly feels faster apparently. I wonder how many miles the blue car had under its belt when it was being tested?
I loved it, but it didn't feel blisteringly quick. In fact, I was asked 'that's not flat out is it' by the passenger at the time.
I couldn't work out whether it was just so planted it felt slower that it was, or whether it wasn't that quick.
The Tuscan IIS certainly feels faster apparently. I wonder how many miles the blue car had under its belt when it was being tested?
_DEEJAY_ said:
I loved it, but it didn't feel blisteringly quick. In fact, I was asked 'that's not flat out is it' by the passenger at the time.
You've been spoilt by owning a Cerbera
Im assuming the passenger has too...? Have to say, thats quite worrying... I have never felt the need to ask if the Cerb was flat out. Infact, im usually asking what gear it is, because surely it cant be fourth...
BCA said:
I loved it, but it didn't feel blisteringly quick. In fact, I was asked 'that's not flat out is it' by the passenger at the time.
You've been spoilt by owning a Cerbera
Have to say, thats quite worrying... I have never felt the need to ask if the Cerb was flat out. Infact, im usually asking what gear it is, because surely it cant be fourth...
Nope, the passenger was giving the test drive, worked for a dealer and made the comparison between the T2 and the Sagaris. The engine was tight though, so that could explain it (but I'm sure there's more to it than that).
_DEEJAY_ said:
The Tuscan IIS certainly feels faster apparently. I wonder how many miles the blue car had under its belt when it was being tested?
Think this is a good point - if the demonstrators haven't done 5k or more (unlikely?) they will get a lot quicker! I'm taking my test drive in the Summer.
IMO the review from this demanding petrolhead magazine is hugely positive, with the front cover & Mark Hales' enthusiastic write up. This overwhelms the minor 'room for improvement' items that they find even with their current favourites.
I think the Sagaris is a brilliant car and keeps TVR up the 'complete nutter wagon' chart in my head.
Personally, I agree with RM's (Richard Meadon?) comments. The saggy doesn't FEEL as blisteringly fast as the numbers suggest, someone show me it can do 0-60 in 3.8 and 0-100 in 8.1. I said the same thing a few threads ago.
I certainly don't feel shortchanged by 12k owning a T350.
Incidentally, my T350 at 7k miles is much smoother (gearchange, clutch etc.) and faster than at 1-2k which most Sagaris have on them at the moment. So hopefully things will get better.
I reckon they've sanitised some of the TVRness out of the car and made it too expensive, moving into unknown territory. A normal 911 driver isn't going to be tempted by a Sagaris unless he loves the styling, a GT3 driver or Exige driver might be though. I think it is worth more than 4 EVO stars though for the styling and the sound alone.
BTW, on a road test drive the back end of the Sagaris I drove bottomed out (i.e. the rear valance hit the ground) several times, my T350 is a bit stiff on the same 'bumps'. I was nipping along, but not driving at silly speeds (car sympathy and personal preservation circuits cutting in you see).
>> Edited by targarama on Sunday 3rd April 09:36
Personally, I agree with RM's (Richard Meadon?) comments. The saggy doesn't FEEL as blisteringly fast as the numbers suggest, someone show me it can do 0-60 in 3.8 and 0-100 in 8.1. I said the same thing a few threads ago.
I certainly don't feel shortchanged by 12k owning a T350.
Incidentally, my T350 at 7k miles is much smoother (gearchange, clutch etc.) and faster than at 1-2k which most Sagaris have on them at the moment. So hopefully things will get better.
I reckon they've sanitised some of the TVRness out of the car and made it too expensive, moving into unknown territory. A normal 911 driver isn't going to be tempted by a Sagaris unless he loves the styling, a GT3 driver or Exige driver might be though. I think it is worth more than 4 EVO stars though for the styling and the sound alone.
BTW, on a road test drive the back end of the Sagaris I drove bottomed out (i.e. the rear valance hit the ground) several times, my T350 is a bit stiff on the same 'bumps'. I was nipping along, but not driving at silly speeds (car sympathy and personal preservation circuits cutting in you see).
>> Edited by targarama on Sunday 3rd April 09:36
Having driven the Sagaris and T350 back to back I can assure you all the Sagaris is faster. But as mentioned on earlier threads not by much. This says more about the blistering performance of the T350 than anything wanting in the Sagaris. Any quicker at all is just more outrageous.
The 4.0S gets going at 4000 as opposed to 5000 and builds power relentlessly throught the red line. As a result the power is spread more broadly and would therefore feel less intense and powerbandy if it had the same power. The fact that it feels more intense as well lets you know that you're dealing with considerably more power than 350.
For those that think the Tuscan 2 is faster than the sagaris, don't be ridiculous they are virtually mechanically identical and any difference in weight is absolutely marginal. There is no way the sagaris could be slower unless there's something in this getting better with miles malarky.
The 4.0S gets going at 4000 as opposed to 5000 and builds power relentlessly throught the red line. As a result the power is spread more broadly and would therefore feel less intense and powerbandy if it had the same power. The fact that it feels more intense as well lets you know that you're dealing with considerably more power than 350.
For those that think the Tuscan 2 is faster than the sagaris, don't be ridiculous they are virtually mechanically identical and any difference in weight is absolutely marginal. There is no way the sagaris could be slower unless there's something in this getting better with miles malarky.
Sagaris Vs Tuscan 2.. speaking to my dealer was told in a straight line nothing between them, but once you come to the twisty bits the Sagaris's superior grip left the Tuscan trailing... this is obviously a comparison the dealers are doing and are all reporting back with the same results...
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