Would the Police be interested ?.
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Hi,
Here's the scenario, block of 20 flats all but 4 of them have owners as residents living in them, mine and 3 others are rented out to tenants. The block is effectively a "company" in which the owners are shareholders and each has a %tage holding.
I hold a role within the company responsible for maintenance of the block which also includes the security, but I've only assumed this role in the last month.
Last night one of the residents called me to say they suspect one of the tenants is dealing drugs. Cars appearing at all hours, 2 beeps on the horn and he runs down, speaks to the driver and then returns. Also he has granted entry into the lobby for people to visit his flat (which in itself is fine and allowed, as are people turning up - nothing wrong just suspicious). There is a definite smell of weed in the lobby, but with 4 flats per lobby it could theoretically be anyone, apart from Ethel who's 86, I would imagine.
The cars arrive at all hours of the daytime and into the early evening, none past 23:00 though. I ran the CCTV and there were 9 yesterday and 6 the day before, 8 the day before that, some with the same VRM.
I pulled the CCTV footage from the car park and whatever he does, it is away and out of the field of view of the Camera, the one in the hallway of the flat concerned picks up faces etc but again, is a panoramic view of the floor and does not look into any doorway. VRM's etc are all plain to see. One of the owners has told me that he's happy for the Police to use his flat as an OP if they want.
The couple in the flat have a kid do keep themselves to themselves, no loud music, just one car always in it's allocated space etc. He's not a rent a thug, just an early to mid twenties hoodie.
I have a duty to the other owners to deal with this. While the guy might be very pleasant, the people he hangs around with might not be, and in a flat where the demographic is tilted beyond the age of 70 years old for the most part, it needs to be sorted.
That brings me to my question, would the Police be interested in sorting this out, given the bigger problems they face at the moment, if so what kind of action would they take?.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Here's the scenario, block of 20 flats all but 4 of them have owners as residents living in them, mine and 3 others are rented out to tenants. The block is effectively a "company" in which the owners are shareholders and each has a %tage holding.
I hold a role within the company responsible for maintenance of the block which also includes the security, but I've only assumed this role in the last month.
Last night one of the residents called me to say they suspect one of the tenants is dealing drugs. Cars appearing at all hours, 2 beeps on the horn and he runs down, speaks to the driver and then returns. Also he has granted entry into the lobby for people to visit his flat (which in itself is fine and allowed, as are people turning up - nothing wrong just suspicious). There is a definite smell of weed in the lobby, but with 4 flats per lobby it could theoretically be anyone, apart from Ethel who's 86, I would imagine.
The cars arrive at all hours of the daytime and into the early evening, none past 23:00 though. I ran the CCTV and there were 9 yesterday and 6 the day before, 8 the day before that, some with the same VRM.
I pulled the CCTV footage from the car park and whatever he does, it is away and out of the field of view of the Camera, the one in the hallway of the flat concerned picks up faces etc but again, is a panoramic view of the floor and does not look into any doorway. VRM's etc are all plain to see. One of the owners has told me that he's happy for the Police to use his flat as an OP if they want.
The couple in the flat have a kid do keep themselves to themselves, no loud music, just one car always in it's allocated space etc. He's not a rent a thug, just an early to mid twenties hoodie.
I have a duty to the other owners to deal with this. While the guy might be very pleasant, the people he hangs around with might not be, and in a flat where the demographic is tilted beyond the age of 70 years old for the most part, it needs to be sorted.
That brings me to my question, would the Police be interested in sorting this out, given the bigger problems they face at the moment, if so what kind of action would they take?.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Yes....all the above info plus car details if known, of any there inc tenant. Any descriptions of the people turning up, regulars(cars or people), dates/times. This will make intel checks easier and quicker. Be prepared for a possible slow appearing response as intel will be reviewed to decide what response re casting a wider net. The tenant may be a distributor for bigger fish.
It may appear that you are doing the police work but that early detail helps without police appearance compromising a "bust".
This type of activity really affects neighbourhoods and often has knock on deterioration problems.
It may appear that you are doing the police work but that early detail helps without police appearance compromising a "bust".
This type of activity really affects neighbourhoods and often has knock on deterioration problems.
Police may be interested. They may already know of him.
At the end of the day it is your choice how to deal with it, but to be honest i suspect that from the description you give of them the fastest way to get the outcome your residents have asked for is to politely but firmly tell him to stop immediately as it will save everyone a lot of hassle. Including the visitors. if you can time it right you'll get the sweet spot just before they sign up for another 6 months...
At the end of the day it is your choice how to deal with it, but to be honest i suspect that from the description you give of them the fastest way to get the outcome your residents have asked for is to politely but firmly tell him to stop immediately as it will save everyone a lot of hassle. Including the visitors. if you can time it right you'll get the sweet spot just before they sign up for another 6 months...
texaxile said:
Hi,
The couple in the flat have a kid do keep themselves to themselves, no loud music, just one car always in it's allocated space etc. He's not a rent a thug, just an early to mid twenties hoodie.
I have a duty to the other owners to deal with this. While the guy might be very pleasant, the people he hangs around with might not be, and in a flat where the demographic is tilted beyond the age of 70 years old for the most part, it needs to be sorted.
Honestly, I'd take the reasonably nice tenant anyday, over the potentially less pleasant customers who may well come back looking for blood - and no, you won't get any help when that happens. The couple in the flat have a kid do keep themselves to themselves, no loud music, just one car always in it's allocated space etc. He's not a rent a thug, just an early to mid twenties hoodie.
I have a duty to the other owners to deal with this. While the guy might be very pleasant, the people he hangs around with might not be, and in a flat where the demographic is tilted beyond the age of 70 years old for the most part, it needs to be sorted.
I'd just ask him if he mind getting his customers not to beep the horn.
rxe said:
Honestly, I'd take the reasonably nice tenant anyday, over the potentially less pleasant customers who may well come back looking for blood - and no, you won't get any help when that happens.
I'd just ask him if he mind getting his customers not to beep the horn.
The problem is that if the "customers" decide that some of the elderly tenants are a valid target to fund their lifestyle. Plus, these things tend not to get better, it won't be long before cars start appearing at silly hours and disturbing the residents.I'd just ask him if he mind getting his customers not to beep the horn.
To clear up any confusion, the family are not my tenants. I will however speak to the owner of the flat in which they are renting and inform them of the situation before I go to the Police. If they do not action anything within a week I'll go to the Police with all the information that I have.
Besides, as someone has mentioned, for all I know he might be on the radar anyway.
Edited by texaxile on Tuesday 30th May 19:06
Several years ago I found myself in a similar situation, leaseholder of a rental flat within a block of ten flats. I was approached one day by several leaseholders, reporting young lads congregating in the early hours of the morning outside my flat, lads climbing through the flat’s windows, with possibly signs of dug dealings going on.
The above leaseholders made me fully aware that they would report our conversation to the Freeholder, and that they fully held me responsible to bring the above situation to an end.
I reported the matter to the police, and when the police appeared to take no action, I again contacted the police, who assured me that they were monitoring the situation, and using the same for intelligence purposes.
Fast forward, my tenant attacked and hospitalised one of the above leaseholders, the same resulting in fire armed police using the big key to enter the flat. Ten weeks later, through the use of the courts I regained possession of the flat, the same lacking any fixture remaining attached to either the walls or floors, ie toilet, shower, boiler, bath, kitchen cabinets, doors etc. etc.
If I found myself In the same situation today, I would use a public phone box and phone crimestoppers enormously,
The above leaseholders made me fully aware that they would report our conversation to the Freeholder, and that they fully held me responsible to bring the above situation to an end.
I reported the matter to the police, and when the police appeared to take no action, I again contacted the police, who assured me that they were monitoring the situation, and using the same for intelligence purposes.
Fast forward, my tenant attacked and hospitalised one of the above leaseholders, the same resulting in fire armed police using the big key to enter the flat. Ten weeks later, through the use of the courts I regained possession of the flat, the same lacking any fixture remaining attached to either the walls or floors, ie toilet, shower, boiler, bath, kitchen cabinets, doors etc. etc.
If I found myself In the same situation today, I would use a public phone box and phone crimestoppers enormously,
Wings said:
Several years ago I found myself in a similar situation, leaseholder of a rental flat within a block of ten flats. I was approached one day by several leaseholders, reporting young lads congregating in the early hours of the morning outside my flat, lads climbing through the flat’s windows, with possibly signs of dug dealings going on.
The above leaseholders made me fully aware that they would report our conversation to the Freeholder, and that they fully held me responsible to bring the above situation to an end.
I reported the matter to the police, and when the police appeared to take no action, I again contacted the police, who assured me that they were monitoring the situation, and using the same for intelligence purposes.
Fast forward, my tenant attacked and hospitalised one of the above leaseholders, the same resulting in fire armed police using the big key to enter the flat. Ten weeks later, through the use of the courts I regained possession of the flat, the same lacking any fixture remaining attached to either the walls or floors, ie toilet, shower, boiler, bath, kitchen cabinets, doors etc. etc.
If I found myself In the same situation today, I would use a public phone box and phone crimestoppers enormously,
That's big of you! The above leaseholders made me fully aware that they would report our conversation to the Freeholder, and that they fully held me responsible to bring the above situation to an end.
I reported the matter to the police, and when the police appeared to take no action, I again contacted the police, who assured me that they were monitoring the situation, and using the same for intelligence purposes.
Fast forward, my tenant attacked and hospitalised one of the above leaseholders, the same resulting in fire armed police using the big key to enter the flat. Ten weeks later, through the use of the courts I regained possession of the flat, the same lacking any fixture remaining attached to either the walls or floors, ie toilet, shower, boiler, bath, kitchen cabinets, doors etc. etc.
If I found myself In the same situation today, I would use a public phone box and phone crimestoppers enormously,
They probably would. Whether they would do anything is another matter. It would probably go down as intelligence and then be looked at again if they got anything else.
I was recently accused of being a grass. I'm guessing a lot of people got the same call. It was about someone who I have not spoken to in a long time. But it was genuinely quite terrifying - think my families addresses being listen. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the bloke go to prison - but I'm not going to risk either mine or my families health for it. So if I were you I'd leave it.
I was recently accused of being a grass. I'm guessing a lot of people got the same call. It was about someone who I have not spoken to in a long time. But it was genuinely quite terrifying - think my families addresses being listen. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the bloke go to prison - but I'm not going to risk either mine or my families health for it. So if I were you I'd leave it.
DaveH23 said:
Does Ethel have arthritis?
No, I think she's got some blue penguins though 
As mentioned, I'll be forwarding the info to the Police if it comes to that. If everyone took the notion they were too worried about reporting crimes for being labelled a grass then the UK would be in an even worse state than it already is, but that's a discussion for another day.
If or when I go to the Police I will tell them I wish to remain anonymous, from there on in it is their baby.
texaxile said:
No, I think she's got some blue penguins though
As mentioned, I'll be forwarding the info to the Police if it comes to that. If everyone took the notion they were too worried about reporting crimes for being labelled a grass then the UK would be in an even worse state than it already is, but that's a discussion for another day.
If or when I go to the Police I will tell them I wish to remain anonymous, from there on in it is their baby.
And you honestly believe the police will treat the same anonymously, they didn't with my details and the information i once provided them with.As mentioned, I'll be forwarding the info to the Police if it comes to that. If everyone took the notion they were too worried about reporting crimes for being labelled a grass then the UK would be in an even worse state than it already is, but that's a discussion for another day.
If or when I go to the Police I will tell them I wish to remain anonymous, from there on in it is their baby.
rxe said:
Honestly, I'd take the reasonably nice tenant anyday, over the potentially less pleasant customers who may well come back looking for blood - and no, you won't get any help when that happens.
I'd just ask him if he mind getting his customers not to beep the horn.
I would do that as well.I'd just ask him if he mind getting his customers not to beep the horn.
Why rock the boat if the tenant is nice?
Besides, over 70s love to curtain twitch.
BTW, I live next door to a weed head. He must be in his 60s at least. Never says much, but puts our bins out if we forget. I look the other way.
Some Gump said:
^ XJ, I know you're pro weed, but surely the tennant is the one rocking the boat?
People generally want peace and quiet at home. They don't want people / taxis / whoever beeping outside their house. They don't want random people milling in and out of communal areas.
I'm not pro weed at all. That is, however another topic People generally want peace and quiet at home. They don't want people / taxis / whoever beeping outside their house. They don't want random people milling in and out of communal areas.
If the tenant is paying his bills, keeping quiet, and their place is in good order, then I would have a private word with the tenant in question getting people to text to alert them to their presence rather than using their horn.
It's all very well kicking off, say the existing tenant in question is made to leave, someone else comes who doesn't sell weed but instead plays music loudly and has lots of parties?
Sometimes people forget that the key to an easy life is to be easy going... but as I said I guess it's to be expected living in a block with loads of old people.
Community watch stickers on their window as an excuse for being nosey
I wonder if any of the residents have gone and SPOKEN to the tenant and asked themselves, or whether it's all been done slyly...
A friend of mine had a very similar problem a few years ago, lived in a communial block of flats etc. everything was fine until another gang of dealers turned up one day to settle a score by smashing up his flat. Unfortunately they got the wrong flat, smashed my mates door down and seriously trashed his place. So what might seem a trivial matter now may not be in the future. Personally I would advise the police, if only to safeguard the other residents and yourself.
We live opposite a purveyor of recreational pharmaceuticals. It's a pain in the arse. Definitely report to the police. The dealer isn't a problem, his customers are. I have a steady stream of discarded needles / tinfoil / biro pipes to contend with in the alley behind our house.
Police will take an interest, but it may need multiple and persistent reports. They keep "knocking" on the door of our vermin, but to date he hasn't had enough drugs on the premises to enable prosecution.
Multiple complaints from tennants to the owner of the flat might help too.
Police will take an interest, but it may need multiple and persistent reports. They keep "knocking" on the door of our vermin, but to date he hasn't had enough drugs on the premises to enable prosecution.
Multiple complaints from tennants to the owner of the flat might help too.
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