Subaru engine builder
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Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Friday 2nd June 2017
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Hi,
If you have seen my add? Then you will know I may need a good engine builder?
Can anyone tell me any good Subaru engine builders in the north west of England?
Cheshire area.
Thanks Rob

stevieturbo

17,980 posts

271 months

Friday 2nd June 2017
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What add ? And why ?

Not North East..but North west. I know he does a lot of machining work, if he doesnt do builds he could maybe advise.

http://asperformance.com/

Or sort of North eastish, maybe Tegsport.

http://www.tegsport.co.uk/

Robegerton

Original Poster:

10 posts

106 months

Saturday 3rd June 2017
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Hi,
My add for wrx on the for sale section, im selling cos my engine is knocking, but if i cant sell it as is, i willl have to get it rebuilt?
Im in Crewe cheshire,
Thanks for the reply
Rob

scooby1994

150 posts

152 months

Saturday 3rd June 2017
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give Brian a call at CAMS in darwin near Blackburn,he looks after a lot of the local subarus and jap cars

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Saturday 3rd June 2017
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Thanks for the reply
Rob

stevieturbo

17,980 posts

271 months

Saturday 3rd June 2017
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Robegerton said:
Hi,
My add for wrx on the for sale section, im selling cos my engine is knocking, but if i cant sell it as is, i willl have to get it rebuilt?
Im in Crewe cheshire,
Thanks for the reply
Rob
Depending on value of the car....and whether the job is done right...or half ass, you could be into a bill of £1500-2k depending on how bad it actually is.

And trying a used engine....carries big risks as well as cost.

Not a good situation to be in either way, but even more so if selling the car.

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Saturday 3rd June 2017
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Yes I know, im not a happy chap at the mo, I need to sell it really, I spent £1700 on a rebuild and now its got a bad knock after less than 3000miles.
It's on for £2500 and is in great condition, I'm gutted to sell, but if it doesn't? I will have to get it rebuilt.
Rob

stevieturbo

17,980 posts

271 months

Saturday 3rd June 2017
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Robegerton said:
Yes I know, im not a happy chap at the mo, I need to sell it really, I spent £1700 on a rebuild and now its got a bad knock after less than 3000miles.
It's on for £2500 and is in great condition, I'm gutted to sell, but if it doesn't? I will have to get it rebuilt.
Rob
If it failed that soon....I'd be concerned about what work was done in the first place. All rebuilds are not the same ! Of course a lot can also depend on how the car is treated and looked after beyond any rebuild.

Far too many morons working at these, who haven't a clue and unfortunately customers suffer.

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Yes i agree, i did 500miles running in, and i am a mature driver, the car is running a standard map with normal boost levels?
Rob

stevieturbo

17,980 posts

271 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Robegerton said:
Yes i agree, i did 500miles running in, and i am a mature driver, the car is running a standard map with normal boost levels?
Rob
Exactly why was it rebuilt in the first place, and exactly what work was done during this rebuild, what parts used ?

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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The engine was rebuilt after a purchased it, the head gasket failed, I had the engine removed and inspected, they confirmed the gasket failure, and I told them to refresh it, they skimmed the heads, fitted new race bearings, new rings and a Exeedy stage one clutch.
2800 miles later, its knocking, I had the work done in 2015, I have spoke to the company, but they say they don't do engine builds anymore?
So I put it up for sale on piston heads, for £2500, as I said, if it doesn't sell, I will have to get it rebuilt.

After seeing the news last night, it put my problems on a lot, lot lower level.
Rob

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

284 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Is the oil pressure good? Is it possible to remove the sump and inspect the bearing shells?

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Hi,
No warning lights when it started knocking, not run it again, don't think you can get to all the rod bolts, if any, with the sump off? Looking at some pics on the web, it looks a tight squeeze.
I'm not an expert, so not too shore? Hope someone will take it off my hands now and get it sorted.
Rob

stevieturbo

17,980 posts

271 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Robegerton said:
The engine was rebuilt after a purchased it, the head gasket failed, I had the engine removed and inspected, they confirmed the gasket failure, and I told them to refresh it, they skimmed the heads, fitted new race bearings, new rings and a Exeedy stage one clutch.
2800 miles later, its knocking, I had the work done in 2015, I have spoke to the company, but they say they don't do engine builds anymore?
So I put it up for sale on piston heads, for £2500, as I said, if it doesn't sell, I will have to get it rebuilt.

After seeing the news last night, it put my problems on a lot, lot lower level.
Rob
Given the work involved, it's a rather unusual course of action to fit new bearings and rings when the engine only needed head gaskets. That really made no sense at all and really would serve no real purpose from a reliability point of view.

And even sometimes when big ends are literally hanging out....they still make good oil pressure.

Your safest bet probably is just to get shot of it. That said, a proper diagnosis of the noise would be helpful. Big end failure is too common, but often caused one way or another. That is worst case scenario, and will be an expensive fix.
There are a small number of things that could cause other noises though, some can sound very bad, but are less expensive.

But without hearing it etc...cannot say for sure

SpydieNut

5,939 posts

247 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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I'd be asking what caused the head gasket failure in the first place. As stevie says, replacing bearings and rings as a matter of course doesn't seem necessary.

I don't suppose the place that rebuilt it in 2015 was a 'Subaru specialist' in Stockport. I had a bad experience with a rebuild of my own there in 2015 and the owner sold up half way through working on my car, although I believe he's still working in the area.

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Does sound like a big end failure to me, it's a proper knock, like a rod bearing, not a tensioner noise. ZI motorsport did the rebuild. To be fair, it could just be one of those things?
A bit of bad luck?
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with your specialist.
Thanks for the replies
Rob

stevieturbo

17,980 posts

271 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Robegerton said:
Does sound like a big end failure to me, it's a proper knock, like a rod bearing, not a tensioner noise. ZI motorsport did the rebuild. To be fair, it could just be one of those things?
A bit of bad luck?
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with your specialist.
Thanks for the replies
Rob
It could be....but it shouldnt really.

How many miles are actually on it ? Do you know anything of its history ?

Given how much work it is to split the block, Its just strange why someone would randomly pull the engine apart to put new bearings in, unless it was very high miles or something. And even stranger to fit new rings without good reason.
I've seen engines apart with 150k on them and the bores have been perfect, hone marks still clearly visible. Unless there is a damn good reason to put new rings....you dont !
Although some 2.5's did use a fair bit of oil, so if it was one of those then a hone/new rings could have made sense, if it had an oil usage problem.

But if it just needed head gaskets and all was well...then just skim the heads and change the head gaskets. Even HG failures are fairly rare...at least on 2.0 models, 2.5's perhaps dont fare so well.

On that basis after such low miles, assuming correct oil etc was used and never ran low the failure could be related to the rebuild.
But it's just so hard to say for sure.
All too often the big end failures are either down to people using crap oil, poor workmanship during servicing, or owners never checking oil levels and running the thing with no oil.
But yes there are occasions when st really does just happen. They can give good service...but they also are far too prone to stting big ends.
And when they do and get to the stage of loud noises...you're into very expensive work to remedy properly, easily into £1200 or so in parts alone doing it right. But could well be more depending on damage plus labour.

Little Pete

1,846 posts

118 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Headshop U.K. In Warrington do a lot of machining work on these engines. If they didn't have the time to do the rebuild I'm sure they could recommend someone.

Robegerton

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10 posts

106 months

Sunday 4th June 2017
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Thanks Rob

Scobblelotcher

1,724 posts

136 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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If you plan to keep it then take it to a proper Subaru specialist and have the engine work done, if not buy a second hand 205 and have it fitted before selling it. Although if you do replace the engine you'll not see much of an increase in value (unfortunately). The car in working order probably isn't worth much more than 4k.

When I had mine rebuilt, I opted for forged parts and I had the car transported to reputable Subaru specialist. Later on I had my car looked after by EngineTuner in Plymouth (4 hours from my house) and it was all worthwhile. The car ran at 353bhp for 30k miles with no issues whatsoever, in fact it worked far better than it did as a standard car. Martyn and his dad at EngineTuner are utterly fantastic and know Impreza's inside out.

If you don't plan on keeping it, I'd contact a breaker to see what price they will give you or buy a second hand engine. I can't imagine the market for a broken Impreza is very big and I doubt you'd get anywhere near 2.5k for it when you can get a working car at that price.

P.S. if you do plan to keep it, fit a 207 to it!

Good luck!