Whats it worth??.. 1972 rebuilt 911
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Hi Guys,
First of all i'm new to Porsche's but have always wanted one. I've seen this Porsche and wondered if you could help value it..
It started life has a 1972 911 which is now TAX exempt and has been rebuilt as a 3.2 super sport at a cost of 25K
Here's the info i have from the owner:
" THIS CAR IS A 1972 AND WAS REBULT AS A 3.2 SUPER SPORT (TURBO BODY)WITH ALL CORRECT PARTS AT A COST OF £25.000 NOT BECAUSE IT WAS RUSTED BUT THE OWNER WANTED A SUPERB CAR ,MOTOR TAX FREE, CLASSIC CAR INSURANCE £250.00, PLEASE NOTE YOU MUST SEE IT TO BELIEVE THE CONDITION.
It has 81,ooo and has all the old mots, 5 speed ,just serviced,heat exchangers very good no rust, no leaks has twin ex box,also no oil leaks or drips all nice and dry,this car has been looked after. Car has only done less than 2,000 miles after the compleat restro work was done,it has a folder full of bills and history.it does not need a service. "
He's also very open to a full porsche inspection which i think i'll be doing.
What sort of price do you think it's worth??, i havnt got a clue!
Thanks for any help you can give!
Please see pics below..
>>> Edited by Ricky Coulson on Sunday 3rd April 00:47
First of all i'm new to Porsche's but have always wanted one. I've seen this Porsche and wondered if you could help value it..
It started life has a 1972 911 which is now TAX exempt and has been rebuilt as a 3.2 super sport at a cost of 25K
Here's the info i have from the owner:
" THIS CAR IS A 1972 AND WAS REBULT AS A 3.2 SUPER SPORT (TURBO BODY)WITH ALL CORRECT PARTS AT A COST OF £25.000 NOT BECAUSE IT WAS RUSTED BUT THE OWNER WANTED A SUPERB CAR ,MOTOR TAX FREE, CLASSIC CAR INSURANCE £250.00, PLEASE NOTE YOU MUST SEE IT TO BELIEVE THE CONDITION.
It has 81,ooo and has all the old mots, 5 speed ,just serviced,heat exchangers very good no rust, no leaks has twin ex box,also no oil leaks or drips all nice and dry,this car has been looked after. Car has only done less than 2,000 miles after the compleat restro work was done,it has a folder full of bills and history.it does not need a service. "
He's also very open to a full porsche inspection which i think i'll be doing.
What sort of price do you think it's worth??, i havnt got a clue!
Thanks for any help you can give!
Please see pics below..
>>> Edited by Ricky Coulson on Sunday 3rd April 00:47
Wasn't this car on ebay a while back? IIRC he was looking for offers well north of £12k.
A sound Supersport can be bought from £12k - OK so it might be a Targa at that money (in fact there are a couple at that price and a bit more in Porsche Post at the moment) or a leggy coupe.
Leaving aside the inadequacies of a Supersport, let's consider this car.
Most wide bodied conversions I have seen consisted of tacked on rear flares. At least half of these cars also had tacked on front flares, rather than Turbo wings. It is just possible that if £25k was indeed spent on this car, the owner did spend the best part of £5k on front and rear wings for it......
This car has turbo front brakes, the engine and interior from a 3.2 Carrera and a turbo badge on the rear lid. I wonder whether it has turbo suspension to take the increased loads of those bigger wheels?
It is very difficult to tell much else from the photos.
On the basis that you can buy a Supersport for (let's be charitable) - £15k, why pay more than £10k for this car. Whoever spent £25k on it was mad - even 10 years ago you could have bought a Supersport for less than £20k.
I wouldn't touch this car with a bargepole. Now is the right time to buy a pedigree 3.2 Carrera, enjoy it, keep it or sell it on in a year's time for more than you paid for it.
I'd also like to add one caveat - the rear reflector panel also appears to be post 1986 with fogs incorporated. That conversion on a pre 1986 car involves some modifications to the bodywork behind the reflector - it's not a simple bolt-on. I'd therefore want to make 100% sure that the shell is indeed a 1972 shell and not the combination of more than one car or, heaven forbid, the shell of the car that seems to have donated that interior, the black trim and other exterior parts.
Not that I am suggesting that this car is nothing other than a genuine car - the owner has a chrome grille from a pre impact bumper car on his wall in one of the photos, replete with some 1970s PCGB badges. This suggests that he has owned Porsches for many years....
A sound Supersport can be bought from £12k - OK so it might be a Targa at that money (in fact there are a couple at that price and a bit more in Porsche Post at the moment) or a leggy coupe.
Leaving aside the inadequacies of a Supersport, let's consider this car.
Most wide bodied conversions I have seen consisted of tacked on rear flares. At least half of these cars also had tacked on front flares, rather than Turbo wings. It is just possible that if £25k was indeed spent on this car, the owner did spend the best part of £5k on front and rear wings for it......
This car has turbo front brakes, the engine and interior from a 3.2 Carrera and a turbo badge on the rear lid. I wonder whether it has turbo suspension to take the increased loads of those bigger wheels?
It is very difficult to tell much else from the photos.
On the basis that you can buy a Supersport for (let's be charitable) - £15k, why pay more than £10k for this car. Whoever spent £25k on it was mad - even 10 years ago you could have bought a Supersport for less than £20k.
I wouldn't touch this car with a bargepole. Now is the right time to buy a pedigree 3.2 Carrera, enjoy it, keep it or sell it on in a year's time for more than you paid for it.
I'd also like to add one caveat - the rear reflector panel also appears to be post 1986 with fogs incorporated. That conversion on a pre 1986 car involves some modifications to the bodywork behind the reflector - it's not a simple bolt-on. I'd therefore want to make 100% sure that the shell is indeed a 1972 shell and not the combination of more than one car or, heaven forbid, the shell of the car that seems to have donated that interior, the black trim and other exterior parts.
Not that I am suggesting that this car is nothing other than a genuine car - the owner has a chrome grille from a pre impact bumper car on his wall in one of the photos, replete with some 1970s PCGB badges. This suggests that he has owned Porsches for many years....
Fantastic looking car!
With one-offs like this, I guess it's worth what someone is prepared to pay, but finding that someone might prove hard. It will be worth a lot less than a true supersport and also a lot less than £25,000. Cars made to look like something they are not don't tend to sell well.
IMO it's probably worth nearer half that, depending on the condition of the mechanicals, maybe less if the owner wants to sell quickly. This would be worth a lot more if the owner had spent the money upgrading the 72 car, but keeping the original bodywork and interior style.
What engine does it have?
With one-offs like this, I guess it's worth what someone is prepared to pay, but finding that someone might prove hard. It will be worth a lot less than a true supersport and also a lot less than £25,000. Cars made to look like something they are not don't tend to sell well.
IMO it's probably worth nearer half that, depending on the condition of the mechanicals, maybe less if the owner wants to sell quickly. This would be worth a lot more if the owner had spent the money upgrading the 72 car, but keeping the original bodywork and interior style.
What engine does it have?
Would'nt touch it with a very long bargepole personally..
A 72 911 is not like that. Period.
And it does not really matter how much the owner thinks he invested in "changing it", the fact is that the car does not have proper provenence.
Frankly, with such a massive alteration to what a 72 911 actually is, the car could be constructed from several different cars and you'll never be able to figure out what the hell it is or where it came from.
The owner will only ever sell this to a 911 first timer who is attracted to its apparent shiny goodness, but inside the 911 fraternity most people would run away fast IMO.
A 72 911 is not like that. Period.
And it does not really matter how much the owner thinks he invested in "changing it", the fact is that the car does not have proper provenence.
Frankly, with such a massive alteration to what a 72 911 actually is, the car could be constructed from several different cars and you'll never be able to figure out what the hell it is or where it came from.
The owner will only ever sell this to a 911 first timer who is attracted to its apparent shiny goodness, but inside the 911 fraternity most people would run away fast IMO.
Why is there no picture of the underside. Two or three good pictures of the underneath would tell far more than all of those do.
I wouldn't touch it, personally. I'd bet HPI and such would be interesting (probably more like a family tree).
I'm not going to say what I think is "Wrong" with it, because I wouldn't want that information to be "used". I can only see three original items, that don't look right for a late eighties 911.
If it genuinely is a '72 911, from those pictures alone I think it'd be pretty hard to spot. Think yourself lucky the seller told you.
If it is a '72 shell find out if it has been re-galvanized. The shells weren't fully galvanized until '76.
>> Edited by dilbert on Sunday 3rd April 00:15
I wouldn't touch it, personally. I'd bet HPI and such would be interesting (probably more like a family tree).
I'm not going to say what I think is "Wrong" with it, because I wouldn't want that information to be "used". I can only see three original items, that don't look right for a late eighties 911.
If it genuinely is a '72 911, from those pictures alone I think it'd be pretty hard to spot. Think yourself lucky the seller told you.
If it is a '72 shell find out if it has been re-galvanized. The shells weren't fully galvanized until '76.
>> Edited by dilbert on Sunday 3rd April 00:15
On top of the fact it's a bitsa, it's imported so I bet there's a bodged LHD/RHD conversion in there somewhere.
As for the 13.5k start price, what is he smoking? I know of a very nice 'real' Carrera 3.2 bought for well under 11.
Don't get me started on the ALL CAPS description, the unforgivable rice of a turbo badge on a n/a car, or the needless sacrifice of an increasingly rare '72
I don't like it, in case you hadn't guessed
As for the 13.5k start price, what is he smoking? I know of a very nice 'real' Carrera 3.2 bought for well under 11.
Don't get me started on the ALL CAPS description, the unforgivable rice of a turbo badge on a n/a car, or the needless sacrifice of an increasingly rare '72
I don't like it, in case you hadn't guessed
I missed the fact that it was imported. This makes it very difficult to trace the car's history. If it has had a scuttle change for lhd to rhd (the ony way to undertake such a conversion) then it would have been very simple to have extended the work to take in the panel with the VIN number just behind the fuel tank. But what's the point in doing that if it's declared as a 1972 car...well....if the shell were from a later car, then there's every point in making sure the numbers tie up with the '72 car....again, just an hypothesis - I am not suggesting that this particular car is anything other than as advertised.
Paul, chances are it was converted in the '80s/'90s when pre impacts were not so highly regarded. I would assume (hope) that it was based on a 911T too - the lowest spec of these cars.
Interesting fact - what if this were a 2.7 RS replica or even a 3.0 RS replica - the answers would be very different wouldn't they?
Interesting fact - what if this were a 2.7 RS replica or even a 3.0 RS replica - the answers would be very different wouldn't they?
rubystone said:
Interesting fact - what if this were a 2.7 RS replica or even a 3.0 RS replica - the answers would be very different wouldn't they?
Thats a REALLY good point, and I guess it shows where the real value lies these days.
A good 72-based 911RS 2.7 or even a 3.0RS replica would be worth double that guy is asking for that dodgy 80's mongrel.
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