430d or 640d Coupe?
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You need to add context to 'better'?
The 640d is a very different car to the 430d, in my opinion:
640d:
1. Has an infinitely better cabin / interior, much much higher quality and loads of better extras usually as standard
2. Much better looking
3. Much bigger boot
4. Quicker, but not by much (easy to chip / remap to 360bhp+)
5. Similar running costs
430d:
1. More agile to drive, but no stunner
2. Slightly better mpg
3. Likely better residuals but depend on age
4. Useable rear seats (640 similar to a TT in back unless the Gran Coupe)
I'm just about to exit my 640d with a fully loaded 440i Coupe due next month. I've had to spend a lot of £££ on the interior to try and make it as nice as the 640d.
The 640d is a very different car to the 430d, in my opinion:
640d:
1. Has an infinitely better cabin / interior, much much higher quality and loads of better extras usually as standard
2. Much better looking
3. Much bigger boot
4. Quicker, but not by much (easy to chip / remap to 360bhp+)
5. Similar running costs
430d:
1. More agile to drive, but no stunner
2. Slightly better mpg
3. Likely better residuals but depend on age
4. Useable rear seats (640 similar to a TT in back unless the Gran Coupe)
I'm just about to exit my 640d with a fully loaded 440i Coupe due next month. I've had to spend a lot of £££ on the interior to try and make it as nice as the 640d.
moffat said:
You need to add context to 'better'?
The 640d is a very different car to the 430d, in my opinion:
640d:
1. Has an infinitely better cabin / interior, much much higher quality and loads of better extras usually as standard
2. Much better looking
3. Much bigger boot
4. Quicker, but not by much (easy to chip / remap to 360bhp+)
5. Similar running costs
430d:
1. More agile to drive, but no stunner
2. Slightly better mpg
3. Likely better residuals but depend on age
4. Useable rear seats (640 similar to a TT in back unless the Gran Coupe)
I'm just about to exit my 640d with a fully loaded 440i Coupe due next month. I've had to spend a lot of £££ on the interior to try and make it as nice as the 640d.
Thanks for replying. Sorry lemme clarify "better":The 640d is a very different car to the 430d, in my opinion:
640d:
1. Has an infinitely better cabin / interior, much much higher quality and loads of better extras usually as standard
2. Much better looking
3. Much bigger boot
4. Quicker, but not by much (easy to chip / remap to 360bhp+)
5. Similar running costs
430d:
1. More agile to drive, but no stunner
2. Slightly better mpg
3. Likely better residuals but depend on age
4. Useable rear seats (640 similar to a TT in back unless the Gran Coupe)
I'm just about to exit my 640d with a fully loaded 440i Coupe due next month. I've had to spend a lot of £££ on the interior to try and make it as nice as the 640d.
From what I can see they have similar engines and they fit the kind of speed/economy i want, so bearing this in mind, my two priorities are:
Space - Sick of only being able to have one passenger in my TT. Is the 640d really that small in the back? The TT is 4.3m long, the 640 is 4.95m.
Comfort - There are a million speedbumps where I live and I commute to work in a big city (Leeds) where the rush hour means you don't go faster than 20MPH and constantly changing gears. The TT sucks in these conditions.
One thing I can see annoying me is how BIG the 6 series is. Parking in a multi story sounds like a piss take. First impressions, the 6 series is SO much better looking inside and out though.
Edited by Crispystork on Friday 9th June 13:42
Made the change from a TTS to a 640d back in November 2014 and wanted something with similar performance to the TTS but with better economy.
The 640 is a lovely looking motor and has a nice interior(for a bmw as I prefer Audi interiors) but the TTS is far more enjoyable to drive in terms of size/weight, and the interior in the 640 is tiny considering how big the car is externally.
The size/weight of the 640d is a pain but it's an excellent cruiser and offers 40mpg which for its performance I find impressive, the electric steering is as uncommunicative in the 640d as it is on the TTS so home from home really.
I miss the nimbleness of the TTS but obviously the 640d is a GT cruiser so a completely different kettle of fish, I always lusted after a 640 and I love it's looks and presence on the road, but for me that's it's only real qualities along with economy.
The 640 is a lovely looking motor and has a nice interior(for a bmw as I prefer Audi interiors) but the TTS is far more enjoyable to drive in terms of size/weight, and the interior in the 640 is tiny considering how big the car is externally.
The size/weight of the 640d is a pain but it's an excellent cruiser and offers 40mpg which for its performance I find impressive, the electric steering is as uncommunicative in the 640d as it is on the TTS so home from home really.
I miss the nimbleness of the TTS but obviously the 640d is a GT cruiser so a completely different kettle of fish, I always lusted after a 640 and I love it's looks and presence on the road, but for me that's it's only real qualities along with economy.
I have a 650, but I can comment on the rear seats at least! Yes - it really is that bad. The current shape I have is slightly better (by about an inch) than the previous shape I had before, but neither had rear seats you'd want to be in for any length of time.
Put it this way - I'm only 5'8", but an adult can't sit behind me. It's possible for someone to sit behind the passenger seat, but only if the front seat is moved forward quite a bit.
In summary, if you really need to take more than 2 people places on a regular basis, it's not the ideal car!
Put it this way - I'm only 5'8", but an adult can't sit behind me. It's possible for someone to sit behind the passenger seat, but only if the front seat is moved forward quite a bit.
In summary, if you really need to take more than 2 people places on a regular basis, it's not the ideal car!
DanL said:
I have a 650, but I can comment on the rear seats at least! Yes - it really is that bad. The current shape I have is slightly better (by about an inch) than the previous shape I had before, but neither had rear seats you'd want to be in for any length of time.
Put it this way - I'm only 5'8", but an adult can't sit behind me. It's possible for someone to sit behind the passenger seat, but only if the front seat is moved forward quite a bit.
In summary, if you really need to take more than 2 people places on a regular basis, it's not the ideal car!
Ah that sucks cus it's such a nice looking car. I think almost all BMWs look too similar (looking at you 2,3,4 and 5 series). The 6 series stands out completely. I could go for a 640d Gran Coupe??Put it this way - I'm only 5'8", but an adult can't sit behind me. It's possible for someone to sit behind the passenger seat, but only if the front seat is moved forward quite a bit.
In summary, if you really need to take more than 2 people places on a regular basis, it's not the ideal car!
Crispystork said:
I could go for a 640d Gran Coupe??
I was going to suggest the 6GC as an option for you because they're longer than the Coupe, and with the rear doors it adds to the practicality and there is more room in the rear seats. Plus for a four door I think bmw have nailed the way the car looks really well too, and sales wise I believe the Gran Coupe has made the Coupe pretty much redundant.
The GC would have room for people with legs, and is a very handsome looking car. Be aware though, it's longer than my convertible by 3-4 inches, and my car is already huge. Drive one, but bear that in mind - mine already overhangs the end of bays in the station car park, so if you need to park in small spaces you're in for a bit of a shock!
The doors on GC's are shorter and not as nice getting in and out if tall, i'm 6'3" and could get behind the driver seat in my setting and not have knees against the seat in my 435d, and as above, more agile, brilliant car, not as 'exec' though, quite a bit smaller, in fact not 'that' much bigger than a 1 series!
I'm toying with the idea of a 335d GT at the moment, loads of room in the back compared to my e91 335d.
Agree with the comments of the quality of finish, the 6x is a world away from the 3x / 4x
Do check the options on the 3x/4x as some have very little as standard - xenons, heated seats, decent speakers etc
Agree with the comments of the quality of finish, the 6x is a world away from the 3x / 4x
Do check the options on the 3x/4x as some have very little as standard - xenons, heated seats, decent speakers etc
OP - Go drive a 640d and see what you think. The GC is a great car but I much prefer the looks of the normal Coupe, GC was a bit too old man for me. But unless you are <5ft 8" no-one will be sitting behind you! My wife is 5ft 2" and my 5 year old sits behind her in a car seat and my wife has to have her seat forward.
I think the 6er is really only designed for the driver's comfort!
I think the 6er is really only designed for the driver's comfort!
Vroomer said:
I spent ages considering a 640d, but in the end the interior size: exterior size ratio didn't work. The back seats are pointless and small parking bays unusable.
I quite enjoy the interior / exterior size ratio to be honest - it makes it seem even more excessive than it already is. 
Crispystork said:
it's looking more like the 430 is a better all-around car. not to mention the 6 series has a staggering insurance group of 50!!!
I always moan about the cost of the insurance(most expensive insurance of any car I've ever had) and I just don't understand why it's so high for an oil burning 6 series, the V10 Audi R8 is the same insurance group...just crazy! cerb4.5lee said:
Crispystork said:
it's looking more like the 430 is a better all-around car. not to mention the 6 series has a staggering insurance group of 50!!!
I always moan about the cost of the insurance(most expensive insurance of any car I've ever had) and I just don't understand why it's so high for an oil burning 6 series, the V10 Audi R8 is the same insurance group...just crazy! Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff