which cellouse paint

[rob07]

I am looking to buy some cellulose paint for my classic but am unsure which to choose. I have read that the cellulose available today is inferior to that available years ago. The paint people told me that they offer a better quality version and also a commercial grade but when asked for more details they were unspecific. Has any one experience of Jawal, HMG or Paint express or would they recommend another. I used to buy from morelli but they are way too expensive now.
Also how would an own brand primer compare to upol p88.

[droopsnoot]

I used Jawel cellulose quite a few years ago to spray an engine bay, but I don't know if it's the same stuff these days. It was only a quick job to make it better than it was.

I've just repainted my car using Lechler Mac 5, which acts like cellulose in most ways, using celly thinners specifically. I got quite a lot of orange peel as I'm not very experienced, and the big problem I have is that in flatting it down, I've now got lots of fine scratches. I can get a lovely shine, as long as you don't look too close. Again, maybe that's inexperience and maybe I can compound a lot of it out.

[tortop45]

Got to ask why cellouse paint?,its a bit old hat comperded to 2 pack paints.But back in the days when people used to use it we used ICI don,t no if its still avalable with 2 types of thinners with it,one was 222 which was a slow thinner and 246 which was a faster thinner,its very inportant to use a good qulity thinner with celluuse so it drys out to polish it up.Is the primer your talking about cellouse as well?The thing with this sort of paint is it never goes rock hard so your forever polishing it up to look good,with 2 pack paints which does go rock hard you polish it up once and that it.

[rob07]

Hi droopsnoot, I am no expert but have also experienced the fine scratches after trying to flatten. I think you need to re flatten with 1500 grade or finer wet and dry and use lots of clean water and possibly some soap but only if you have enough paint thickness left.
In reply to tortop45. I do not have a separate air feed system to spray two pack and also cellulose is quite user friendly. And it should also be quite simple to touch up small or largeareas if needed at a later date. I agree it does need more polishing but I can live with that

[Shezbo]

tortop45 said:

Got to ask why cellouse paint?,its a bit old hat comperded to 2 pack paints.But back in the days when people used to use it we used ICI don,t no if its still avalable with 2 types of thinners with it,one was 222 which was a slow thinner and 246 which was a faster thinner,its very inportant to use a good qulity thinner with celluuse so it drys out to polish it up.Is the primer your talking about cellouse as well?The thing with this sort of paint is it never goes rock hard so your forever polishing it up to look good,with 2 pack paints which does go rock hard you polish it up once and that it.

Totally agree, 2 pack sooo much better....

[crankedup]

Worth looking at this site

craftmasterpaints.co.uk

I have used thier products on vintage cars and vintage caravan with pleasing results.

[droopsnoot]

rob07 said:

Hi droopsnoot, I am no expert but have also experienced the fine scratches after trying to flatten. I think you need to re flatten with 1500 grade or finer wet and dry and use lots of clean water and possibly some soap but only if you have enough paint thickness left.

Yes, sadly I've been doing that, in fact down to 2500. I did get some 3000 but that seemed to just clog instantly. Then I go through a variety of compounds on different grades of foam pad. I happened to be at the right place in the NEC restoration show recently, when some restorers were doing a Q&A session on exactly that issue. I asked them what I could do to get rid of the scratches and their response was "get it painted in 2k". Not quite the help I was hoping for, and not that encouraging to the home restorer.

I'm in the same boat - even if I had a means to protect myself from the isocyanates, it wouldn't help the neighbours much. I know people who spray 2k with "normal" non-air-fed masks, but I just don't fancy it. If the celly proves to be too much of a problem, then I will give it a few years and perhaps get someone else to paint it, after the other repairs have settled down. I did ask Jawel if they could provide their non-ISO 2k in the correct colour, but they said not.

[tortop45]

If youve got good ventaltion in your garage and were a good spray mask then using 2k won,t be a problem for the DIY er, its just that your not used to it but you must cover the rest of the car up as the over spray sticks to every thing..