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Pwig

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11,956 posts

271 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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It was actually rather good wasn't it?


De La Rosa rocked

FunkyNige

8,891 posts

276 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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Pwig said:

De La Rosa rocked


I wouldn't say De La Rosa rocked, more like he provided lots of entertainment!

It was quite an entertaining race, Barichello did exceptionally well as always, I actually found myself watching all of it!

tvrforever

3,182 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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James Allen's best (and most thruthful) comments for years "it's like formula ford at Thruxton"

It was rather a good actual 'race' wasn't it?

Did occur to me that 'maybe just maybe' the new regs might behelping - the bit about if you drop out of a race you have to go early next time, combined with tyre & engines means 'at the moment' it's interestig. Only a matter of time though before the zillions spend sorts out the reliability and we go back to dullness...

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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I actually thought it definitely WASN'T like F Ford at Thruxton. However, De La Rosa had obviously forgotten that you weren't supposed to even TRY to overtake in F1. Undfortunately, once he gets a few more races under his belt, he'll be as boring and predictable as the rest of them.

D_Mike

5,301 posts

241 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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The new regulations don't seem have helped, either - witness how de la Rosa had massive trouble passing cars that were a second a lap or so slower than his ultimate pace... all because you can't follow a car closely through fast corners.

Frik

13,542 posts

244 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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The aerodynamic regulations were brought in to slow the cars down as far as I was aware. Specifically by increasing the length of the rear wing to increase drag and raising the front to decrease it's effectiveness.

I can't see how either of these things would reduce the amount by which the air behind the car would be extremely turbulent and difficult to drive through.

Not sure how the FIA could improve this area either since what team are going to spend time (and money) trying to smooth out the air behind their cars?

ratpit

229 posts

237 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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I found it supremely entertaining, they were actually racing rather then playing strategy, some of them even made contact, shock horror!!!
Hopefully it will continue. Nice to see some different teams and drivers making an impact.
DeLaRosa was extremely interesting. He got there in the end, but it was fun watching him too. I think it had more to do with his impetuous driving than aerodynamics.
Good stuff, keep it up.

rallysanf

99 posts

231 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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Yep definately a good race. I wonder though could the problem with Dela Rosa have been down to the knew regs? Under the knew rules do the cars take longer to get a good tow up the straight due to a smaller hole in the air? Once you pull out is there then less wind resistance against the car due to the increase from the smaller whole? Do the older tyres make them brake not so well?

.....or was he just in full on Banzai mode. Great race, more again in Imola?

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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I think it was just a banzai atitude.

I think F1 drivers get into a mode of thinking which reinforces their view that overtaking is extremely difficult, if not actually impossible, and prefer to wait for pit-stops etc to try and make a strategic jump on an oponent. I actually think that this is more of a problem than aerodynamics or very short braking distances.

De La Rosa was (almost) an F1 virgin today in a half decent car so he drove like a traditional RACING driver (as opposed to an F1 driver) and kept having a go.

Fair play to him. I wish they gave more test drivers an opportunity to race now and then.

djmotorsport

479 posts

244 months

Sunday 3rd April 2005
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Pedro was entertaining, but on the majority of F1 circuits, he wouldn't have got away with his ambitious passing attempts (Similar applies to Webber, Kimi & Ralph who all had off circuit excursions)- Maybe tarmac run-off is the way forward for encouraging overtaking attempts......

DJ

edited for my usual bad spelling

>> Edited by djmotorsport on Sunday 3rd April 23:14

foster3jd

3,773 posts

241 months

Monday 4th April 2005
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tvrforever said:
James Allen's best (and most thruthful) comments for years "it's like formula ford at Thruxton"
That was good, but I preferred his comment after one of De La Rosa's ambitions overtaking attempts, "he's heading for Saudi Arabia"... it actually made me smile politely!

sb-1

3,316 posts

264 months

Monday 4th April 2005
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Pwig said:
It was actually rather good wasn't it?





I agree....a good race indeed.

steviebee

12,927 posts

256 months

Monday 4th April 2005
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Eric Mc said:
I think F1 drivers get into a mode of thinking which reinforces their view that overtaking is extremely difficult, if not actually impossible, and prefer to wait for pit-stops etc to try and make a strategic jump on an oponent. I actually think that this is more of a problem than aerodynamics or very short braking distances.


Yep! I'd go along with that but I think there's also the point that De La Rosa is not in a position to make an impact on the Championship so he doesn't have to drive round thinking "well, I may as well be careful and pick up a few points here and wait for the next race"

steviebee

12,927 posts

256 months

Monday 4th April 2005
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Eric Mc said:
I think F1 drivers get into a mode of thinking which reinforces their view that overtaking is extremely difficult, if not actually impossible, and prefer to wait for pit-stops etc to try and make a strategic jump on an oponent. I actually think that this is more of a problem than aerodynamics or very short braking distances.


Yep! I'd go along with that but I think there's also the point that De La Rosa is not in a position to make an impact on the Championship so he doesn't have to drive round thinking "well, I may as well be careful and pick up a few points here and wait for the next race"

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Monday 4th April 2005
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Putting the championship ahead of indiviual races is no doubt a factor in preventing drivers making "rash" (read "exciting") moves. However, the BTCC drivers don't seem to suffer too much from this syndrome.

I really do think most F1 drivers are browbeaten - either through team managers - or through the overall F1 "style", just not to TRY to overtake.

How many times do we watch drivers charge around in crocodile procession without even LOOKING past the car in front. The Canadian GP a year or so ago was apalling. Five cars drove around nose to tail for virtually the whole race and didn't even bother making a move.