3 car teams

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slipstream 1985

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12,256 posts

180 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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How viable would this be? I am a big fan of this and think it would really mix things up. Surely not alot more cost of an extra car and an extra pit crew. How many cars could compete at a race meeting? I s there a track that would hold this back space wise?

HTP99

22,607 posts

141 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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I'm not a fan of 3 car teams; it's bad enough having a team making sure their current 2 drivers stay as they are and instructing them not to overtake (however I can understand why they do this), but can you imagine a procession of 3 cars from the same team with instructions to not attempt an overtake.

Mr Pointy

11,259 posts

160 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Not much more? You need 50% more of everything, from engines to brake pads to trucks to cart it all around.

Good idea though if Liberty need to get enough cars on the grid when RB & Ferrari refuse the new contract terms.

thegreenhell

15,453 posts

220 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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They'd have to update the points system at the same time, otherwise the midfield teams would all be fighting over a single point behind three each of Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull.

If they go to the effort of taking a complete third car to races then I'd rather see it used a s a spare for the current two drivers, with no penalties for using it if their main car fails.

slipstream 1985

Original Poster:

12,256 posts

180 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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thegreenhell said:
They'd have to update the points system at the same time, otherwise the midfield teams would all be fighting over a single point behind three each of Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull.

If they go to the effort of taking a complete third car to races then I'd rather see it used a s a spare for the current two drivers, with no penalties for using it if their main car fails.
Old system was points 10 6 4 3 2 1 so 6 positions and 3 top teams assuming all finished.

Likes Fast Cars

2,780 posts

166 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Depends on whether they can attract new entrants to the sport. If they can't, 3 car teams makes sense.

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Depends on whether they can attract new entrants to the sport. If they can't, 3 car teams makes sense.
I think that's where the idea of customer teams would start to be raised again.

Yes you can have 3 cars, but one is run by a separate team, with limited budget, shared infrastructure with other customer teams, doesn't count for manufacturer points, and other limitations (perhaps drivers with no more than 10 F1 races before starting the season). Then that might be a cheap way to "bulk" up the grid.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Mr Pointy said:
Not much more? You need 50% more of everything, from engines to brake pads to trucks to cart it all around.

Good idea though if Liberty need to get enough cars on the grid when RB & Ferrari refuse the new contract terms.

But you wouldn't need any more on the design and development side so it would be more cost effective per car on the grid.

Likes Fast Cars

2,780 posts

166 months

Thursday 15th June 2017
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Munter said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Depends on whether they can attract new entrants to the sport. If they can't, 3 car teams makes sense.
I think that's where the idea of customer teams would start to be raised again.

Yes you can have 3 cars, but one is run by a separate team, with limited budget, shared infrastructure with other customer teams, doesn't count for manufacturer points, and other limitations (perhaps drivers with no more than 10 F1 races before starting the season). Then that might be a cheap way to "bulk" up the grid.
If they can't get manufacturer points, how would they get a distribution of the revenues (assuming F1 keeps the same / similar system to what they have already)?.

pozi

1,723 posts

188 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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Cost would not really be an issue and if you rewind a few years the teams had a spare car built up and ready to go at all the races until the regulations stopped it.

However for the sport it would be rubbish if a dominant team took all three steps of the podium at every race.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

234 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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I think that i would like to see three car teams myself.

Only the first 2 finishes from each team can count their points towards the main CC, although all drivers keep their points towards the WDC.

There will be a separate 'Junior Constructor Championship' for the 3rd cars. If a team wins this and promotes their 3rd Driver to one of the main 2 cars they will receive a $1m payment for every race the following season that that driver is in one of the 2 main cars.

Driver of the third car must not have competed in F1 in more than two consecutive seasons prior to the start of the current season in which they are racing to ensure a reasonable churn rate and no bed blocking.


MartG

20,699 posts

205 months

Friday 16th June 2017
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Just a suggestion...

Teams to run 3 cars during FP, with the 3rd car driven by the team's designated 1st reserve driver, who must not have previously competed in F1.

After FP3 the 3rd cars have a 20 min qualy session for a sprint race to be held after the main F1 qualy, with separate championship.

Top 3 finishers from the sprint race get added to the back of the main grid for Sunday's race - drivers can score world championship points as normal, but constructors only count points from their top two finishers.

Gives the reserve drivers some F1 race experience, gives spectators more to watch, puts more cars on the grid for the GP