Petrol, Diesel or Hybrid - Long term
Discussion
craigjm said:
The Lexus will be the best kit level wise but the hybrid benefits disappear when on the motorway.
How do the Lexus hybrids operate? I know some Toyota systems use a more efficient engine cycle, and compensate for the lower torque with infill from the electric motor, so they're still more efficient than the equivalent "normal" petrol when cruising. I thought it was a pretty clever application of the tech when I was told about it.Diesels won't be priced out for a while yet so I'd base your petrol diesel debate on how many miles you do? If it's below 12k then I'd go for a petrol.
Does it have to be a four door? If not here are a few options that will manage 30+ mpg that are worth considering:
Mercedes E400 Sport Plus 335bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
BMW 640i SE/M Sport 320bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Audi S5 330bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
If you're going to get a diesel then get one of the best:
Alpina D5 BiTurbo 350bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Or if you want a proper barge & can live with around 25-27mpg then A CL500 with the 4.7TT engine is the car to choose.
CL500 435bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Does it have to be a four door? If not here are a few options that will manage 30+ mpg that are worth considering:
Mercedes E400 Sport Plus 335bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
BMW 640i SE/M Sport 320bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Audi S5 330bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
If you're going to get a diesel then get one of the best:
Alpina D5 BiTurbo 350bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Or if you want a proper barge & can live with around 25-27mpg then A CL500 with the 4.7TT engine is the car to choose.
CL500 435bhp
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Where does this mythical "if you don't do 12k miles a year you should not buy a diesel" come from?
Are we saying 11999 pa means petrol and 12001 pa means diesel?
Irrespective of annual mileage the decision to buy petrol or diesel should be based on the type of driving you do not a specific mileage, potential looming diesel bans aside.
Are we saying 11999 pa means petrol and 12001 pa means diesel?
Irrespective of annual mileage the decision to buy petrol or diesel should be based on the type of driving you do not a specific mileage, potential looming diesel bans aside.
I drive a IS300h Fsport - granted it has the CVT but in everyday driving it suits the car perfectly - the torque is great from zero mph with the hyrbid setup and getting away from the lights surprises loads of other cars. Kit is great - ventilated seats, 15 speaker stereo, soft close windows and load of other little well thought out touches.
Refinement (even with the fsport suspension) is exemplary - no road or wind noise and silent running up to 30mph.
Downsides - battery is in the spare wheel well and could be bigger, but engine braking with the paddles is fantastic and can charge the batteries up in no time.
Mpg on motorway - i usually get around 50-55 @ 65-70 - go faster and it will drop to high 40's. In town mpg rises as your in traffic as you can use full ev for a proportion of the time.
The car encourages you to drive differently and you end up looking for opportunities to charge the batteries for the next burst of acceleration - it isn't majorly fast (think BMW 320d power but so much more refined!)
Handling is great, can be quite playful although you can't turn all safety off - the batteries add weight to the rear so you can use that to trail and get the rear squatting around corners a bit.
I just wish they did the 450h in the IS range!
Refinement (even with the fsport suspension) is exemplary - no road or wind noise and silent running up to 30mph.
Downsides - battery is in the spare wheel well and could be bigger, but engine braking with the paddles is fantastic and can charge the batteries up in no time.
Mpg on motorway - i usually get around 50-55 @ 65-70 - go faster and it will drop to high 40's. In town mpg rises as your in traffic as you can use full ev for a proportion of the time.
The car encourages you to drive differently and you end up looking for opportunities to charge the batteries for the next burst of acceleration - it isn't majorly fast (think BMW 320d power but so much more refined!)
Handling is great, can be quite playful although you can't turn all safety off - the batteries add weight to the rear so you can use that to trail and get the rear squatting around corners a bit.
I just wish they did the 450h in the IS range!
Monkeylegend said:
Where does this mythical "if you don't do 12k miles a year you should not buy a diesel" come from?
Are we saying 11999 pa means petrol and 12001 pa means diesel?
Irrespective of annual mileage the decision to buy petrol or diesel should be based on the type of driving you do not a specific mileage, potential looming diesel bans aside.
Look at the difference in purchase priceAre we saying 11999 pa means petrol and 12001 pa means diesel?
Irrespective of annual mileage the decision to buy petrol or diesel should be based on the type of driving you do not a specific mileage, potential looming diesel bans aside.
Look at the difference in fuel price per litre
Look at the difference in miles per gallon
Chuck in a slush fund to cover and diesel related ailments
Do some sums and work it out for yourself.
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